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Old 03-31-2020, 02:24 PM
Status: "Freell" (set 6 days ago)
 
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2000 MSA population
DFW 5,161,544
Miami 5,007,564
DC 4,796,183
Houston 4,715,407
Atl 4,247,982

2010 MSA population
DFW 6,371,773
Houston 5,946,800
DC 5,582,170
Miami 5,564,635
Atl 5,268,860

2019 MSA population
4. DFW 7,573,136
5. Houston 7,066,141
6. DC 6,280,487
7. Miami 6,166,488
9. Atl 6,020,364

2000-2010 population increase
Houston 1,231,393
DFW 1,210,229
ATL 1,020,879
DC 785,987
Miami 557,071


2010-2019 population increase
01. DFW 1,206,599
02. Houston 1,145,654
04. Atlanta 733,646
05. DC 630,799
06. Miami 600,214

2000-2019 increase:
DFW 2,416,828
Houston 2,377,047
ATL 1,754,525
DC 1,416,786
Miami 1,157,285

DFW grew more in 9 years than Miami did in 20. Houston almost did too.


DFW population difference in relation to other 4 in 2000,2010,2019

Miami -153,980, -807,138, -1,406,648
DC -365,361, -789,603, -1,292,649
Houston -446,137, -424,973, -506,995
ATL - 913,562, -1,102,913, -1,552,772


Houston population difference in relation to other 4 in 2000,2010,2019

DFW +446,137, +424,973, +506,995
Miami +292,157, -382,165, -899,653
DC + 80,776, -364,630, -785,654
ATL -467,425, -677,940, - 1,045,777

Crazy that only 153,000 people separated DFW and Miami in 2000 now it's 1.4 million and now DFW has 1.5 million more people than ATL. Miami was ahead of Houston by 300k in 2000 now it's behind by 900k. That's a 1.2 million swing. Houston more than doubled is lead on ATL from 465K to over 1 million.


Looks like DFW and Houston are outpacing ATL and Miami by a lot.
Will they still be peers at this rate?

Threw in DC because it was in the middle of the screen grabs
Population doesn't make these cities peers, it's a factor but Boston, Phoenix, and Seattle are also peers of all of these cities and their metro population is smaller than Miami's and Atlanta's. Also, on the subject of population, Dallas and Atlanta will continue to grow at solid rates because they are not as dependent on immigration compared to Houston and Miami.

There are way too many variables to predict the future of these metros, but it is a safe bet to say that they will be peers for a while.
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Old 03-31-2020, 03:04 PM
 
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There's lots that come with population growth.
It is not the most important metric but there's things that a big city brings that smaller ones just don't do as well.


And I never asked you to predict the future, I provided you with stats and asked to make an educated answer using those stats.

I provided 19 years of data and commented on how it looks like two are outpacing the others. Doesn't that look like the case?
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Old 03-31-2020, 03:38 PM
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There's lots that come with population growth.
It is not the most important metric but there's things that a big city brings that smaller ones just don't do as well.


And I never asked you to predict the future, I provided you with stats and asked to make an educated answer using those stats.

I provided 19 years of data and commented on how it looks like two are outpacing the others. Doesn't that look like the case?
You asked will these ciites continue to be peers by using population as metric right? Ok, simple answer, yes they will continue to be peers.

Also, what does Houston and Dallas bring that other cities in their peer group doesn't bring? Every city in their peer group is more urban and gives you more of a city feel.
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Old 03-31-2020, 04:20 PM
 
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You asked will these ciites continue to be peers by using population as metric right? Ok, simple answer, yes they will continue to be peers.

Also, what does Houston and Dallas bring that other cities in their peer group doesn't bring? Every city in their peer group is more urban and gives you more of a city feel.
That is due to when the city was growing.
As to your other question, they are still in the same boat now.
I dunno why the defensiveness.

You answered the question with a yes. I am not going to argue with you on the answer because I do want to know your opinion on whether you think they will continue to be peers. You say yes, and that's good that you answered, I just don't like that you followed up with a question. It's like you are making me do the work.
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Old 03-31-2020, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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You asked will these ciites continue to be peers by using population as metric right? Ok, simple answer, yes they will continue to be peers.

Also, what does Houston and Dallas bring that other cities in their peer group doesn't bring? Every city in their peer group is more urban and gives you more of a city feel.
Houston is unsustainable. Oil collapse, flooding, low urban development, more dependent on service jobs and immigration, lack of proper zoning, etc. Despite Houston's weaknesses there is nothing indicating all three won't be peers in the future.
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Old 03-31-2020, 07:22 PM
 
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People been preaching that doom and gloom for decades.
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Old 03-31-2020, 08:43 PM
 
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Dallas and Atlanta could actually one day be the most populated metros in America if sea levels continue to rise.
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Old 03-31-2020, 09:19 PM
 
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Dallas and Atlanta could actually one day be the most populated metros in America if sea levels continue to rise.
I pondered that many times. Many of us may not be alive to witness it if it really happens, but if sea levels keep going up the way they are now, I definitely see a population explosion in inland metros likes Dallas and Atlanta.. Houston, Miami don't have that edge.
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Old 03-31-2020, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Land of the Free
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Dallas and Atlanta could actually one day be the most populated metros in America if sea levels continue to rise.
Dallas is going to be #3 before too long regardless.
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Old 03-31-2020, 10:01 PM
 
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Houston is 50-100 feet above sea level. It's about the same as San Fran. All the icecaps can melt and ask it would do is give it Beach front property. Scientist are predicting 3 get in 100 years. Give me a break.

Again this is all just doom and gloom hysterics.

Miami on the other hand is 6ft over sea level.
NY is what 30?
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