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Losfrisco wtf? All your big talk and these numbers tell the complete opposite. Yikes.
Oakland
74 Walk Score
56 Transit Score
65 Bike Score
San Diego
51 Walk Score
37 Transit Score
43 Bike Score
So now we're back to comparing city vs. city?
Great....San Diego is 5X the size of Oakland with 4500 ppsm density. I already pointed out how San Diego blows Oakland away with 4X light rail stops in the core area comparable to the size of Oakland city.
If you want to go through life believing Oakland is more urban than San Diego, please do not Google "Oakland skyline" and "San Diego skyline."
Great....San Diego is 5X the size of Oakland with 4500 ppsm density. I already pointed out how San Diego blows Oakland away with 4X light rail stops in the core area comparable to the size of Oakland city.
If you want to go through life believing Oakland is more urban than San Diego, please do not Google "Oakland skyline" and "San Diego skyline."
Right, and it's a dumb thing to do. So, like I said earlier, since you were pretty satisfied with the zipcodes over 8000 ppsm metric, then just compile a list of that for the San Diego metropolitan area and ask 18Montclair to do the same for the East Bay. That's pretty straightforward since you've already done part of the work.
As for 18Montclair wanting to use walkscore, then sure. For that, you can compile a list of all the neighborhoods of every municipality in the San Diego metro that have a walkscore above 90 and then add their population counts together, and he can do the same for the East Bay.
Just try to consistently apply these metrics you guys seem to be into and then run the numbers. It's pretty easy.
29 miles North-South
88 Emeryville
83 Berkeley
82 Albany
74 Oakland
70 San Pablo
66 Alameda
64 El Cerrito
63 San Leandro
57 Richmond
56 San Lorenzo
55 Hayward
14 miles North-South
67 Imperial Beach
66 National City
57 El Cajon
51 Coronado
51 San Diego
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Great....San Diego is 5X the size of Oakland with 4500 ppsm density. I already pointed out how San Diego blows Oakland away with 4X light rail stops in the core area comparable to the size of Oakland city.
Haha keep talking up your lrt booboo, those are roller skates compared to Heavy Rail.
From Wikipedia:
In North America, the American Public Transportation Association defines a heavy rail system as an electric railway with the capacity to handle a heavy volume of traffic. The term is often used to distinguish it from light rail systems, which usually handle a smaller volume of passengers.
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If you want to go through life believing Oakland is more urban than San Diego, please do not Google "Oakland skyline" and "San Diego skyline."
Hahaha google "San Diego heavy rail metro system"
In a few years, you'll literally be able to take a subway train from Oakland to San Jose. Otherwise youre looking at a 50-mile drive.
29 miles North-South
88 Emeryville
83 Berkeley
82 Albany
74 Oakland
70 San Pablo
66 Alameda
64 El Cerrito
63 San Leandro
57 Richmond
56 San Lorenzo
55 Hayward
14 miles North-South
67 Imperial Beach
66 National City
57 El Cajon
51 Coronado
51 San Diego
Haha keep talking up your lrt booboo, those are roller skates compared to Heavy Rail.
From Wikipedia:
In North America, the American Public Transportation Association defines a heavy rail system as an electric railway with the capacity to handle a heavy volume of traffic. The term is often used to distinguish it from light rail systems, which usually handle a smaller volume of passengers.
Hahaha google "San Diego heavy rail metro system"
In a few years, you'll literally be able to take a subway train from Oakland to San Jose. Otherwise youre looking at a 50-mile drive.
Come on now. You know good and well that municipalities can vary greatly in size from place to place, so listing them and trying to compare the number of municipalities between the two areas by some metric isn’t very informative. You also know good and well that 50 is a pretty terrible threshold and doesn’t much look or feel urban.
Come on now. You know good and well that municipalities can vary greatly in size from place to place, so listing them and trying to compare the number of municipalities between the two areas by some metric isn’t very informative.
That's why I did the distance from one end of the cluster to the other.
29 miles vs 14 miles isnt really a comparison.
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You also know good and well that 50 is a pretty terrible threshold and doesn’t much look or feel urban.
I had to use 50 as the baseline because SD only scored a 51.
That's why I did the distance from one end of the cluster to the other.
29 miles vs 14 miles isnt really a comparison.
I had to use 50 as the baseline because SD only scored a 51.
Lol
Yea, and the geography of places can change things quite a bit. You might be aware of the hills that ring the flatlands of the East Bay and the long linear shape that the most urbanized bits of East Bay has.
SD is a large city that includes a lot of more suburban areas. That's what happens when you have large city boundaries. You know this very well since you've been around on these forums.
The two of you both are citing metrics that have greater granularity available, so why not just go by each other's roughly agreed upon sources and the idea that those metrics are meaningful?
So, like I said earlier, you can compile a list of all the neighborhoods of every municipality in the East Bay that have a walkscore of 90 or above (or choose 80 and above) and then add their population counts together, and Losfrisco can do the same for San Diego.
Since Losfrisco likes zipcodes over 8000 ppsm metric, then just compile a list of that for the East Bay and ask Losfrisco to do the same for San Diego metropolitan area, which apparently he already started doing to some extent.
It makes more sense than dancing around each other and taking random potshots.
Yea, and the geography of places can change things quite a bit. You might be aware of the hills that ring the flatlands of the East Bay and the long linear shape that the most urbanized bits of East Bay has.
SD is a large city that includes a lot of more suburban areas. That's what happens when you have large city boundaries. You know this very well since you've been around on these forums.
The two of you both are citing metrics that have greater granularity available, so why not just go by each other's roughly agreed upon sources and the idea that those metrics are meaningful?
So, like I said earlier, you can compile a list of all the neighborhoods of every municipality in the East Bay that have a walkscore of 90 or above (or choose 80 and above) and then add their population counts together, and Losfrisco can do the same for San Diego.
Since Losfrisco likes zipcodes over 8000 ppsm metric, then just compile a list of that for the East Bay and ask Losfrisco to do the same for San Diego metropolitan area, which apparently he already started doing to some extent.
It makes more sense than dancing around each other and taking random potshots.
No, I like the contiguous miles of walk score of 50+ better because simply compiling a list of population density accomplishes little as this is California, its dense everywhere.
Walk score showcases ease of accessibility to amenities by foot, which is far more to the point when it comes to being "more urban".
No, I like the contiguous miles of walk score of 50+ better because simply compiling a list of population density accomplishes little as this is California, its dense everywhere.
Walk score showcases ease of accessibility to amenities by foot, which is far more to the point when it comes to being "more urban".
Sure, but you understand that a walkscore of 50 something is not that urban, that the East Bay is quite linear in development so it compresses much of its urbanization into a north-south axis, and that walkscore has a much higher level of granularity in its data than just the municipality. Though it's also possible that you don't know those things and you have a difficult time navigating the website. However, I have faith in you that you can figure this out.
California is definitely not 8000+ ppsm density zipcodes everywhere. However, it's quite possible East Bay has a much larger population of people living in such dense zip codes than there is the San Diego metropolitan area. Losfrisco figured it was a sensible metric, but he never actually tried doing it apples to apples and instead did it by within the city propers of Oakland and San Diego. Take him up on his metric of choice--I'm pretty sure the East Bay has a larger population of people living in zipcodes above that density. Do it and watch him backtrack and try to pretend something he stated was a reasonable metric is suddenly no longer valid when it does back the city or metropolitan area he prefers.
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