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The GG is a BRIDGE so people can get in and out of the City; it's a 'standard' street/walkway/streetscape in and of itself, lol. The cable cars are mass transit and part of the City Center, the most densely-populated portion of the City (rather than a 'very limited one'). To suggest they 'don't count' is absurd as the very essence of 'distinguishable' is a quality or feature which makes recognition possible (while being seen as different), all while being 'street-level' as the OP states in the title.
This is too ridiculously redundant and not worth a debate; a street is part of a streetscape, lol.
A bridge, no matter how iconic, is not unless you can view it while walking along the streets of the neighborhood...
...and on most San Francisco streets, you can no more see the Golden Gate Bridge than you can the Ben Franklin Bridge from any Philadelphia street not in Old City.
In the New York neighborhood known as Dumbo, the Manhattan Bridge is part of the streetscape; it hovers over most of the streets in the neighborhood that got its name because it's Down Uunder the MManhattan Bridge Overpass.
The George Washington is likewise part of the streetscape of parts of Washington Heights, but only Riverside Drive and a few other streets.
And the GW and Brooklyn bridges are as iconic as the GGB. Nobody would call them elements that make New York distinctive at street level.
A bridge, no matter how iconic, is not unless you can view it while walking along the streets of the neighborhood...
You can view it while walking along many streets/neighborhoods and trails (as well as elevated parks), lol. If you're stating it's disqualified because it's not visible from every nook and cranny/neighborhood in the City, neither are bay windows, 'barren landscapes', or anything else mentioned.
Street-level does not equate to 'visible from every neighborhood/street in the City'.
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You can view it while walking along many streets/neighborhoods and trails (as well as elevated parks), lol.
1) Once again, something way off in the distance is not a street-level feature.
2) You can only see the GG from specific viewpoints. It's not a general street-level view at all.
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If you're stating it's disqualified because it's not visible from every nook and cranny/neighborhood in the City, neither are bay windows, 'barren landscapes', or anything else mentioned.
It's not visible from 99% of the city at street level. Either the topography blocks it, the adjacent buildings block it, or trees/parks block it. The SF grid is not aligned towards views of the GG--at street level, it is very rare to see it.
There are a very limited number of places in San Francisco in which you can see the the GG at street level. It's limited to specific hilltops and viewpoints in the northern part of the city, or right along the water.
Pavement-heavy streetscapes, hills, and bay windows are found in virtually every single neighborhood and the majority of streets in SF. It's a staple of the SF built environment...literally everywhere: Visitation Valley Excelsior Bayview Noe Valley Ingleside Mission SOMA Fillmore Presidio Heights North Beach Cow Hollow Tenderloin Haight-Ashbury Nob Hill
There is a very obvious unifying theme to San Francisco at street level in just about every single neighborhoods: (1) hills, (2) bay windows, and (3) pavement-heavy streetscape (few/scrawny trees, no ground-level landscaping, etc).
Cable cars streets comprise 5 miles in a city of 1,260 miles of roadways. Do you not see the difference?!
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Street-level does not equate to 'visible from every neighborhood/street in the City'.
The GG is not visible from the vast majority of San Francisco at street level. The OP asked for "general street-level".
why don't you understand this?!?!
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A bridge, no matter how iconic, is not unless you can view it while walking along the streets of the neighborhood...
...and on most San Francisco streets, you can no more see the Golden Gate Bridge than you can the Ben Franklin Bridge from any Philadelphia street not in Old City.
In the New York neighborhood known as Dumbo, the Manhattan Bridge is part of the streetscape; it hovers over most of the streets in the neighborhood that got its name because it's Down Uunder the MManhattan Bridge Overpass.
The George Washington is likewise part of the streetscape of parts of Washington Heights, but only Riverside Drive and a few other streets.
And the GW and Brooklyn bridges are as iconic as the GGB. Nobody would call them elements that make New York distinctive at street level.
It is absolutely baffling how hard it is for them to understand this.
1) Once again, something way off in the distance is not a street-level feature.
2) You can only see the GG from specific viewpoints. It's not a general street-level view at all.
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Except it's not a 'way off in the distance' feature depending upon where you are (Summer Lee, 101, Long Ave, E. Beach, Marine Dr, Marshall's Beach, Baker Beach, Fort Point and so on (and street-level access/views/streetscapes aren't negated as distinguishable because they aren't visible throughout an entire city).
Keep in mind it's a major point of access to the entire city (as well as the BB); it doesn't get much more relevant and distinguishable than that (and it's an up-close and personal streetscape for the well over a million people who cross it daily, lol).
Except it's not a 'way off in the distance' feature depending upon where you are (Summer Lee, 101, Long Ave, E. Beach, Marine Dr, Marshall's Beach, Baker Beach, Fort Point and so on (and street-level access/views/streetscapes aren't negated as distinguishable because they aren't visible throughout an entire city).
They are negated because they don't represent the general street level views, the entire purpose of the thread.
Your examples are all vantage points within a park. That is absolutely not what the general street level views of an urban city like SF looks like.
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Keep in mind it's a major point of access to the entire city (as well as the BB); it doesn't get much more relevant and distinguishable than that (and it's an up-close and personal streetscape for the well over a million people who cross it daily, lol).
It doesn't matter how many people use it!!! That literally has nothing to do with what the general street-level looks like in SF.
380,000 people venture into Times Square each day. Does that mean Times Square represents the general street-level of NYC? Absolutely not. There's only one place that looks like Times Square, just like there's only 1 place that looks like Fort Point. They do not represent the city at large.
You clearly do not understand the difference between iconic viewpoints and general street level. Here's some examples to help you compare:
They are negated because they don't represent the general street level views, the entire purpose of the thread.
Your examples are all vantage points within a park. That is absolutely not what the general street level views of an urban city like SF looks like.
It doesn't matter how many people use it!!! That literally has nothing to do with what the general street-level looks like in SF.
380,000 people venture into Times Square each day. Does that mean Times Square represents the general street-level of NYC? Absolutely not. There's only one place that looks like Times Square, just like there's only 1 place that looks like Fort Point. They do not represent the city at large.
You clearly do not understand the difference between iconic viewpoints and general street level. Here's some examples to help you compare:
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Again, why is this so difficult to understand?
Maybe just as much to the point: there are in most cities streets where a bridge forms part of the view of or along the street, and the view is not an "iconic" one. Two examples:
900 block Race Street, Chinatown, Philadelphia - You should be able to see the Ben Franklin Bridge's towers in the distance; when driving or walking down the street most days, they're more noticeable than they are in this photo
Washington Street, Dumbo, Brooklyn (not Manhattan as I previously wrote) - Here the bridge figures prominently in the view, so much so that this photo has become an "iconic" view of that Brooklyn neighborhood. Remove the bridge, however, and you could find similar streets in other parts of both Brooklyn and Manhattan, and maybe even in Long Island City in Queens.
And once again, the bridges actually make these atypical streetscapes (the one in Philadelphia Chinatown less so, however; the stretch of Race from 11th east to 9th is typical of that neighborhood).
Whoever posted those shots of pastel-hued, stucco-coated, vaguely Mediterranean-looking row houses caught a more typical San Francisco streetscape, much like the block below is more typical of Center City Philadelphia:
The point of this thread is basically, if you were randomly dropped on a city street (thankfully, we have Google Streetview which allows us to do just that), what city could be most easily identified? It has nothing to do with whether the Statue of Liberty, Golden Gate Bridge, or Washington Monument are more iconic landmarks... It is all about which city's average streetscapes are most distinctive.
The point of this thread is basically, if you were randomly dropped on a city street (thankfully, we have Google Streetview which allows us to do just that), what city could be most easily identified? It has nothing to do with whether the Statue of Liberty, Golden Gate Bridge, or Washington Monument are more iconic landmarks... It is all about which city's average streetscapes are most distinctive.
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I honestly don't why this was so difficult to understand.
"But the GG bridge is a street that a lot of people use generally..."
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