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Yes that's the type of area I'm talking about. I suppose its a judgement call but the first few of those I'd label post-urban and holes in the consistency of the overall urban environment. The land is a field now or boarded up structures that will probably become a field once the city catches up with tearing them down. The only bones left are the streets and the lots. I'm also skeptical that if/when these are rebuilt you'd see replacement row housing go up.
Yes that's the type of area I'm talking about. I suppose its a judgement call but the first few of those I'd label post-urban and holes in the consistency of the overall urban environment. The land is a field now or boarded up structures that will probably become a field once the city catches up with tearing them down. The only bones left are the streets and the lots. I'm also skeptical that if/when these are rebuilt you'd see replacement row housing go up.
i included those because even with those its far more urban in form than seattle because there's a ton of buildings still up-its not detroit or st louis. 90%+ of Baltimore isn't that abandoned
Seattle is splotchy on a city level where there are districts that are built pretty densely and with corridors linking these, but with many neighborhoods that go into SFH. Even with that though, the constant development, rezoning, and population growth of Seattle means that arguments about it being not as urban or dense as Baltimore will ring less and less true with each year. Ask me a decade ago which was more urban and I would have certainly said Baltimore, but now I'm not as sure given Seattle's 25% population bump in-city, the nearly as rapid growth of its suburbs from which people come into the city to work and recreate, and the development to support all of that which has been an incredibly contrasting decade to Baltimore's 2010s.
Either way though, neither seem to make a convincing case for being in the top 7 most urban cores of North America. There are three slots taken by what I'm pretty sure are inarguable with NYC, Mexico City, and Havana, and two that I think are shoe-ins which are Chicago and Santo Domingo. That leaves two more slots with San Francisco, Philadelphia, Toronto, Montreal, Port-au-Prince, Panama City, Guadalajara, and Monterrey. I see no chance for either Baltimore or Seattle to argue for one of those two slots among that list since anything that would be used to favor Baltimore or Seattle would likely bring about at least two of that list which do even better.
i included those because even with those its far more urban in form than seattle because there's a ton of buildings still up-its not detroit or st louis. 90%+ of Baltimore isn't that abandoned
It's more urban than Seattle's single family home zones, for sure, but not more urban than Seattle's urban core and the "urban villages" and nodes throughout the city. Seattle has a very inconsistent urban fabric outside of its core but you do get plenty of areas like this throughout the city:
(These were posted by BlaserBrad earlier)
5 ish mile drive from Downtown (unsure exact because of recent detour)
It's more urban than Seattle's single family home zones, for sure, but not more urban than Seattle's urban core and the "urban villages" and nodes throughout the city. Seattle has a very inconsistent urban fabric outside of its core but you do get plenty of areas like this throughout the city:
(These were posted by BlaserBrad earlier)
5 ish mile drive from Downtown (unsure exact because of recent detour)
I know Baltimore has those types of areas as well throughout the city, but just to clarify you posted streetviews of areas in or close to Downtown Baltimore. The links I posted are between 3-6 miles from Downtown Seattle.
Feel free to delete this comment, but does anyone know if there is a Seattle vs. Vancouver thread? I can't seem to find one
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