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Ah, that is what depletes downtown from the highrises number. There are a cluster of them in Clayton. I see.
That does St Louis downtown no favors! lol
The “edge cities” are always a debatable point. I’m a bit older and grew up in Atlanta, so I always recall the debates about if Midtown “counted” when the 825’ IBM tower (One Atlantic Center) went up, and then the debate about Atlanta’s “second Downtown” of Buckhead counting, and heaven forbid the more suburban Sandy Springs/Dunwoody “Perimiter” counting with the two 500’+ King and Queen Concourse Towers and the 444’ Ravinia tower, and not forgetting the growing Galleria center over in Vinings/Smyrna. I guess I’m a bit “sensitive” so I say spread the love around a metro. Love me some tall towers! Ha ha ha...
Austin, Charlotte, and Nashville are leaving this segment behind in terms of volume (with Denver being the exception). The 2020s will include clear skyline separations from peers not building new skyscrapers.
I would posit that St. Louis probably has more highrises than most of these cities, although the majority are shorter than 300 ft. Any flyover of the city’s central corridor would support this suggestion.
Austin is truly on a tear and what makes it so different is that its economy is significantly driven by tech, a sector with a largely suburban presence, but is experiencing a huge boom in highrise construction with most of them being entirely residential or mixed use with a sizable residential/hospitality portion. That gives the skyline a bit of a Miami/San Diego/Vancouver flavor which is pretty unique for an inland city, much less one in Texas on the edge of the Southwest.
12. St Louis: 2.805 million
Skyscrapers: 14
(under construction 2)
Including Clayton gives St. Louis 5 more skyscrapers of at least 300ft or more. Clayton actually just got its most recent skyscraper this year, Centene Plaza II at 419ft. That's taller than both skyscrapers currently under construction in the city proper.
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*St Louis has a surprisingly low high rise count, for such a 100 year "big city" status and metro area
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Ah, that is what depletes downtown from the highrises number. There are a cluster of them in Clayton. I see.
That does St Louis downtown no favors! lol
St. Louis has always been more midrise oriented. The idea, whether enforced by law or not, that nothing should be taller than the Arch didn't help either.
That being said, St. Louis, like Baltimore, is an independent city without a county of its own. Clayton, however, is the county seat of St. Louis County, and it offered an attractive place in the last few decades for businesses to open in lieu of downtown St. Louis. The balkanized nature of metro St. Louis meant that the county, with 3x the population and more resources, would actively fight the city for jobs. This article sums up the current relationship pretty well, even though it's going on four years old. What is out of date with it though is that the PwC Pennant Building opened in downtown, making it the newest office building in downtown. It doesn't meet the height requirements for this thread though, but One Cardinal Way in downtown is one of the current projects under construction that does.
Clayton isn't some far flung suburb either. City hall to city hall, the two downtowns are nine miles away from each other by car. This picture and this picture puts it into perspective. That's Forest Park, in St. Louis, that's offering the sea of trees between the two cities.
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The Arch is included in that figure if I'm not mistaken.
"Giving" St. Louis, Clayton would be like "giving" Baltimore, Towson which has 2 +300' buildings.
Might as well do it for everyone. Why include the metro populations if this ends up being about city specific skyscrapers?
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Austin, Charlotte, and Nashville are leaving this segment behind in terms of volume (with Denver being the exception). The 2020s will include clear skyline separations from peers not building new skyscrapers.
Yeah, agreed.
All 3 metro areas will be leapfrogging the other cities in this segment behind--except Denver.
With Vegas, although it has the highest skyscraper count in this population segment, I don't really count it, since the skyscrapers are on the strip and not *truly* a downtown/midtown area. The Vegas downtown is completely underwhelming, skyscraper-wise.
It is smaller than Albuquerque's downtown.
But by 2025 or so, Nashville and Austin downtowns will be unrecognizable in certain spots with all the new construction. Charlotte is adding great height and density to an already vibrant and dense downtown.
I would posit that St. Louis probably has more highrises than most of these cities, although the majority are shorter than 300 ft. Any flyover of the city’s central corridor would support this suggestion.
If we used official fire-code definition of high-rises (115' or 7 stories) Baltimore, Pittsburgh & St. Louis all individually have well over +200 buildings lol
Per a quick look, highrise code is >75' from the lowest surrounding access point to the ceiling of the highest occupied floor, or something like that.
Generally an eight-story apartment or six-story office will be a highrise, though you can technically cram a six-story office into 75' with the right structural type etc.
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