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Old 04-09-2020, 08:50 PM
 
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I thought I'd segment this tier of metro areas out for the largest in the US, over 3 million in population.

Thought it would be fascinating to see a good snapshot of how these sizes of metros stack up with total number of skyscrapers completed, in 2020.

Numbers are for completed skyscrapers and then in parentheses, a rough under construction count. I used wikipedia as a source, and I realize it may be off by a few for each city.

For skyscrapers, I'm including 300 feet or higher only, as a baseline.

Metro area populations are for 2018 estimates.

Sorted by highest number of completed skyscrapers to least number of completed:


1. New York City: 19.979 million
Skyscrapers: 375+
(under construction 10+)

2. Chicago: 9.498 million
Skyscrapers: 175+
(under construction 13)

3. Miami-Ft Lauderdale: 6.198 million
Skyscrapers: 110+
(under construction 6)

4. San Francisco-Oakland: 4.729 million
Skyscrapers: 80+
(under construction 7+)

5. Houston: 6.997 million
Skyscrapers: 65+
(under construction 3)

6. Seattle: 3.939 million
Skyscrapers: 60+
(under construction 15+)

7. Los Angeles: 13.291 million
Skyscrapers: 60+
(under construction 12)

8. Dallas-Ft Worth: 7.539 million
Skyscrapers: 55+
(under construction 4)

9. Atlanta: 5.949 million
Skyscrapers: 50+
(under construction 2)

10. Boston: 4.875 million
Skyscrapers: 45+
(under construction 7)

11. Philadelphia: 6.096 million
Skyscrapers: 45+
(under construction 3)

12. Minneapolis: 3.629 million
Skyscrapers: 40
(under construction 3)

13. San Diego: 3.343 million
Skyscrapers: 37
(under construction 4)

14. Detroit: 4.326 million
Skyscrapers: 37
(under construction 3)

15. Phoenix: 4.857 million
Skyscrapers: 17
(under construction 1)

16. Tampa-St Petersburg: 3.142 million
Skyscrapers: 14
(under construction 3)

17. Washington, DC: 6.249 million
Skyscrapers: Height zoning limits height--none over 300 ft
(under construction none)

18. Riverside-San Bernardino: 4.622 million
Skyscrapers: 0 *all buildings in both cities under 200 feet
(under construction none currently)


Observations:

*New York City blows away all of these by far, more than doubling Chicago, the next closest metro
*At this rate of construction, Seattle will easily be in the top 4 by 2030
*Atlanta's skyscraper growth has slowed considerably the past 8-10 years
*Huge gap between Detroit and then Phoenix and Tampa
*Phoenix and Tampa are not in this skyscraper league at all. They are lagging way behind for such large metro areas
Are these by metro area or just within city boundaries? Also, I agree that Houston’s numbers seem low compared to other sources I’ve seen.
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Old 04-09-2020, 09:05 PM
 
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Are these by metro area or just within city boundaries? Also, I agree that Houston’s numbers seem low compared to other sources I’ve seen.
City proper
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Old 04-09-2020, 09:41 PM
 
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City proper
So why does it say riverside San Bernardino, Dallas Fort worth, and San Francisco Oakland?
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Old 04-09-2020, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Odenton, MD
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So why does it say riverside San Bernardino, Dallas Fort worth, and San Francisco Oakland?
Because he comparing MSA's but only using the primary city for the actual numbers (which are all low btw)

NYC - 871 buildings over 100m
Chicago - 329 buildings over 100m
Miami - 110 buildings over 100m
Houston - 103 buildings over 100m
SF - 95 buildings over 100m
LA - 74 buildings over 100m
Atlanta - 71 buildings over 100m
Seattle - 59 buildings over 100m
Philly - 57 buildings over 100m
Boston - 50 buildings over 100m

(these are completed buildings btw)

If we counted the high-rises/skyscrapers in the entire metro... NYC & Miami would be in their own tier.

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Old 04-09-2020, 11:56 PM
 
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But you just proved what he is saying.
The figures in the OP were off. Only Miami and Seattle numbers match.
And it clearly says metro btw

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Originally Posted by Joakim3 View Post
Because he comparing MSA's but only using the primary city for the actual numbers (which are all low btw)

NYC - 871 buildings over 100m
Chicago - 329 buildings over 100m
Miami - 110 buildings over 100m
Houston - 103 buildings over 100m
SF - 95 buildings over 100m
LA - 74 buildings over 100m
Atlanta - 71 buildings over 100m
Seattle - 59 buildings over 100m
Philly - 57 buildings over 100m
Boston - 50 buildings over 100m

(these are completed buildings btw)

If we counted the high-rises/skyscrapers in the entire metro... NYC & Miami would be in their own tier.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjbradleynyc View Post
I thought I'd segment this tier of metro areas out for the largest in the US, over 3 million in population.

Thought it would be fascinating to see a good snapshot of how these sizes of metros stack up with total number of skyscrapers completed, in 2020.

Numbers are for completed skyscrapers and then in parentheses, a rough under construction count. I used wikipedia as a source, and I realize it may be off by a few for each city.

For skyscrapers, I'm including 300 feet or higher only, as a baseline.

Metro area populations are for 2018 estimates.

Sorted by highest number of completed skyscrapers to least number of completed:


1. New York City: 19.979 million
Skyscrapers: 375+
(under construction 10+)

2. Chicago: 9.498 million
Skyscrapers: 175+
(under construction 13)

3. Miami-Ft Lauderdale: 6.198 million
Skyscrapers: 110+
(under construction 6)

4. San Francisco-Oakland: 4.729 million
Skyscrapers: 80+
(under construction 7+)

5. Houston: 6.997 million
Skyscrapers: 65+
(under construction 3)

6. Seattle: 3.939 million
Skyscrapers: 60+
(under construction 15+)

7. Los Angeles: 13.291 million
Skyscrapers: 60+
(under construction 12)

8. Dallas-Ft Worth: 7.539 million
Skyscrapers: 55+
(under construction 4)

9. Atlanta: 5.949 million
Skyscrapers: 50+
(under construction 2)

10. Boston: 4.875 million
Skyscrapers: 45+
(under construction 7)

11. Philadelphia: 6.096 million
Skyscrapers: 45+
(under construction 3)

12. Minneapolis: 3.629 million
Skyscrapers: 40
(under construction 3)

13. San Diego: 3.343 million
Skyscrapers: 37
(under construction 4)

14. Detroit: 4.326 million
Skyscrapers: 37
(under construction 3)

15. Phoenix: 4.857 million
Skyscrapers: 17
(under construction 1)

16. Tampa-St Petersburg: 3.142 million
Skyscrapers: 14
(under construction 3)

17. Washington, DC: 6.249 million
Skyscrapers: Height zoning limits height--none over 300 ft
(under construction none)

18. Riverside-San Bernardino: 4.622 million
Skyscrapers: 0 *all buildings in both cities under 200 feet
(under construction none currently)


Observations:

*New York City blows away all of these by far, more than doubling Chicago, the next closest metro
*At this rate of construction, Seattle will easily be in the top 4 by 2030
*Atlanta's skyscraper growth has slowed considerably the past 8-10 years
*Huge gap between Detroit and then Phoenix and Tampa
*Phoenix and Tampa are not in this skyscraper league at all. They are lagging way behind for such large metro areas
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Old 04-10-2020, 02:48 AM
 
Location: Odenton, MD
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But you just proved what he is saying.
The figures in the OP were off. Only Miami and Seattle numbers match.
And it clearly says metro btw
Those numbers I posted are city proper, not metro
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Old 04-10-2020, 09:09 AM
 
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Those numbers I posted are city proper, not metro
Exactly. So why are all of them greater than the numbers in the original post except for Miami and Seattle?
What the earlier posters were saying was the Wikipedia numbers in the original post seemed light and the numbers you posted backed that up.

The wiki numbers for metros were even less than the numbers you posted for city limits

Anyway, it would be interesting to examine the number of new skyscrapers in these cities in the past 10 years. There was a suggestion that Seattle for example would be top 4 by 2030. Seattle has had crazy growth, but to be top 4 it would have to double it's current number at least. Miami in the last few years has had crazy skyscraper growth, would be an insane skyline if that was maintained for the next decade
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Old 04-10-2020, 09:49 AM
 
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I love all versions of this but metro is definitely the more relevant. Though the main core is a function of the whole area (metro, CSA, UA, whatever) and that can be approximated by the city limits number, buildings in the rest of the city are important too.
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Old 04-10-2020, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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No competition: New York, Chicago

Above average: Atlanta, Miami, Seattle, San Francisco

Average: Philadelphia, Boston, Houston

Below Average: Dallas, Detroit, Minneapolis, San Diego

Terrible: Los Angeles, Tampa, Phoenix
Shouldn't Boston be above Atlanta as it will have more skyscrapers in a less populous, geographically smaller metro within 2 years?
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Old 04-10-2020, 12:44 PM
 
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Shouldn't Boston be above Atlanta as it will have more skyscrapers in a less populous, geographically smaller metro within 2 years?
Boston doesn't though. The data is incorrect. Atlanta has 71 and Boston has 50

Over 100 Meters

1. NY 871
2. Chicago 329
3. Miami 118
4. Houston 103
5. SF 95
6. LA 74
7. ATL 71
8. Seattle 59
9. Philly 57
10. Vegas 53
11. Boston 50
12. DFW 46
13. Denver 39
14. Minneapolis 27

Over 200 Meters

1. NY81
2. Chicago 31
3. Houston 15
4. LA 12
5. ATL 10
6. Philadelphia 7
7. Miami 7
8. DFW 7
9. SF 5
10. Minneapolis 4
11. Seattle 4
12. Boston 4
13. Denver 3
14. Vegas 0

Over 300 Meters

1. NY 12
2. Chicago 6
3. Houston 2
4. LA 2
5. SF 1
6. ATL 1
7. Philly 1
8. Miami 0



1. NY is #1 in every category
2. Chicago is #2 across the board
3. Houston is #3 in two of the categories, while Miami has more buildings on the lower end
4. LA is #4 in two categories while Miami and SF edges it out on the lower end
5. SF takes the 5th spot on both ends but in the mid range it drops to 9



Overall in terms of number of skyscrapers and height I would rank them:



1. NY
2. Chicago
3. Houston
4. LA
5. Miami
6. SF
7. ATL
8. Philly
9. Seattle
10. Dallas or Boston

I struggled with Miami. It has the numbers but not the height of LA.
I apologize to Shakeesha, I agree partially now. For its size DFW is underwhelmed and is on a lower level than Atlanta.
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