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Population, GDP, transit. They're similiar cities but one has 600,000 to 700,00 more people and is more established overall.
I already addressed the population point.. It really depends on how you slice and dice it. You are putting the whole emphasis on MSA stats but I think the population difference is not as significant as the MSA figures would suggest. Ditto for GDP as that is directly correlated with how you count population.
What about transit? I know they both have robust light rail networks, though Denver's is much longer and slightly busier.
Just a few things off the top of my head: much more dynamic urban core with a bigger downtown, busier airport, more Fortune 500 companies, more Fortune 1000 companies, higher ranking in the GaWC study, and much stronger national and global "brand" overall...
Also keep in mind, I still think they are in the same tier, but if I had to rank them I would rank Denver ahead for these reasons. Phoenix does get some credit for being much bigger but oviously population can't be the sole metric, otherwise what's the point of doing these threads?
I already addressed the population point.. It really depends on how you slice and dice it. You are putting the whole emphasis on MSA stats but I think the population difference is not as significant as the MSA figures would suggest. Ditto for GDP as that is directly correlated with how you count population.
What about transit? I know they both have robust light rail networks, though Denver's is much longer and slightly busier.
Well Mpls and St. Paul put together is about the same population as Denver but still more dense overall. The difference is there are two cores instead of one. You can't just disregard MSA.
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Just a few things off the top of my head: much more dynamic urban core with a bigger downtown, busier airport, more Fortune 500 companies, more Fortune 1000 companies, higher ranking in the GaWC study, and much stronger national and global "brand" overall...
Also keep in mind, I still think they are in the same tier, but if I had to rank them I would rank Denver ahead for these reasons. Phoenix does get some credit for being much bigger but oviously population can't be the sole metric, otherwise what's the point of doing these threads?
Charlotte should definitely include Concord, Gastonia and Rock Hill; that would give it a UA of ~2.028m (between SA and Cleveland), much more indicative of where Clt is...
Adding Concord, Gastonia, Rock Hill is definitely a more accurate representation of Charlottes population, they are no more detached than Bell Air is to Baltimore.
Baltimore has 2.27 million in 717 sq. miles
Bell Air has 223k in 131 sq. miles Total UA: 2.50 million in 848 sq. miles.
Charlotte's has 1.49 million in 747 sq. miles
Rock Hill has 117k in 95 sq. miles
Gastonia has 185k in 138 sq. miles
Concord has 228k in 183 sq. miles Total UA: 2.02 million in 1,163 sq. miles
Well Mpls and St. Paul put together is about the same population as Denver but still more dense overall. The difference is there are two cores instead of one. You can't just disregard MSA.
And yet they are about on par at 20 mile radius from downtown (with Denver slightly ahead if you account for its much bigger population gain since the 2010 census).
I already addressed the population point.. It really depends on how you slice and dice it. You are putting the whole emphasis on MSA stats but I think the population difference is not as significant as the MSA figures would suggest. Ditto for GDP as that is directly correlated with how you count population.
What about transit? I know they both have robust light rail networks, though Denver's is much longer and slightly busier.
No matter how you cut it, Mpls sits firmly in the 10 to 15 range, Denver doesn't.
And yet they are about on par at 20 mile radius from downtown (with Denver slightly ahead if you account for its much bigger population gain since the 2010 census).
And that still doesn't put Denver of MSP. MSP still feels more dense than Denver because it is.
And that still doesn't put Denver of MSP. MSP still feels more dense than Denver because it is.
I didn't say Denver is ahead of MSP. I said they are peers. There are just too many variables -- some favor MSP, others Denver.
You still haven't presented any evidence for why MSP is so clearly ahead of Denver other than the fairly marginal (in the grand scheme of things) population gap.
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