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The Baltimore Washington corridor is tough because there is definitely some grey area in between. It's not as bad as SF/SJ, which in my mind should be a single metro, but it does have the same problems.
I've always maintained the notion that cities are culturally too distinct and economically independent to be a single MSA metroplex like the Twin Cities, Bay Area or Dallas-Ft. Worth. They are just in a unique position where they are in extremely close proximity to each other which allows for a lot of population mixing in their bordering suburbs.
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Originally Posted by whereiend
Do people in Howard county generally consider themselves residents of the Baltimore metro?
People from Howard County generally associate themselves from the Baltimore area, but theres been noticeable shift of people that live in the county but work in the DC metro.
Any local will usually say the unofficial "dividing" line between the two metro's is Route 32. Anything north of the highway is in Baltimore's sphere and everything south is in DC sphere. The shift is comes very rapidly.
Sneaky and unfair to exclude Minneapolis from the poll. I feel it is #15.
It's excluded because it ranks higher than 15; at either 13 or 14
11. Miami
12. Seattle
13. Detroit / Minneapolis
14. Minneapolis
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Originally Posted by Joakim3
I've always maintained the notion that cities are culturally too distinct and economically independent to be a single MSA metroplex like the Twin Cities, Bay Area or Dallas-Ft. Worth. They are just in a unique position where they are in extremely close proximity to each other which allows for a lot of population mixing in their bordering suburbs.
Unlike the others you listed, Minneapolis and St. Paul literally border one another (no, the Mississippi does not completely separate them) and pretty much function as one city.
I've always maintained the notion that cities are culturally too distinct and economically independent to be a single MSA metroplex like the Twin Cities, Bay Area or Dallas-Ft. Worth. They are just in a unique position where they are in extremely close proximity to each other which allows for a lot of population mixing in their bordering suburbs.
People from Howard County generally associate themselves from the Baltimore area, but theres been noticeable shift of people that live in the county but work in the DC metro.
Any local will usually say the unofficial "dividing" line between the two metro's is Route 32. Anything north of the highway is in Baltimore's sphere and everything south is in DC sphere. The shift is comes very rapidly.
The Twin Cities are a unique situation from the other two. They literally border each other without interruption, and not in some sliver fraction of land do they meet at each city's most distant point (like how people use that argument for Raleigh and Durham). Minneapolis and St Paul are distinct but interwoven in a way most places aren't, the only large-ish area in the country I can even think of to resemble that dynamic are Virginia Beach and Norfolk...
So I'm fine viewing MSP as one city. The others, though? I've advocated for years here that San Jo, Oakland, Fort Worth, Newark, these places by themselves are part of the larger region they inhabit but should be respected enough to appreciate what they influence and contribute on their own merits. Those specific cities to me I don't view as "San Francisco" or "Dallas" or "New York"...
I've always maintained the notion that cities are culturally too distinct and economically independent to be a single MSA metroplex like the Twin Cities, Bay Area or Dallas-Ft. Worth. They are just in a unique position where they are in extremely close proximity to each other which allows for a lot of population mixing in their bordering suburbs.
People from Howard County generally associate themselves from the Baltimore area, but theres been noticeable shift of people that live in the county but work in the DC metro.
Any local will usually say the unofficial "dividing" line between the two metro's is Route 32. Anything north of the highway is in Baltimore's sphere and everything south is in DC sphere. The shift is comes very rapidly.
The MSP is different from DFW.
MSP functions more like one city like Houston than as a metro Luke Dallas Fort Worth or as a CSA like the bay area.
The Twin Cities are a unique situation from the other two. They literally border each other without interruption, and not in some sliver fraction of land do they meet at each city's most distant point (like how people use that argument for Raleigh and Durham). Minneapolis and St Paul are distinct but interwoven in a way most places aren't, the only large-ish area in the country I can even think of to resemble that dynamic are Virginia Beach and Norfolk...
So I'm fine viewing MSP as one city. The others, though? I've advocated for years here that San Jo, Oakland, Fort Worth, Newark, these places by themselves are part of the larger region they inhabit but should be respected enough to appreciate what they influence and contribute on their own merits. Those specific cities to me I don't view as "San Francisco" or "Dallas" or "New York"...
There is a difference between "one metro" and "one city". I don't think DFW or the Bay Area are one city, but I do think that they are one metro.
The idea of Palo Alto being "San Jose" but Redwood City being "San Francisco" doesn't really make any sense to me. I'd feel the same if Arlington was "Fort Worth" and Grand Prairie was "Dallas". I don't see the purpose of the separation in these metros that have a relatively even population density over a huge area.
I've always maintained the notion that cities are culturally too distinct and economically independent to be a single MSA metroplex like the Twin Cities, Bay Area or Dallas-Ft. Worth. They are just in a unique position where they are in extremely close proximity to each other which allows for a lot of population mixing in their bordering suburbs.
The Bay Area isn't a single MSA though; rather it is a single CSA consisting of a whopping NINE MSAs with the San Franciso-Oakland and San Jose MSAs being by far the largest and most important of them.
There is a difference between "one metro" and "one city". I don't think DFW or the Bay Area are one city, but I do think that they are one metro.
The idea of Palo Alto being "San Jose" but Redwood City being "San Francisco" doesn't really make any sense to me. I'd feel the same if Arlington was "Fort Worth" and Grand Prairie was "Dallas". I don't see the purpose of the separation in these metros that have a relatively even population density over a huge area.
This is where the newest delineation, metropolitan division, comes in handy. Only MSAs containing an urbanized area of at least 2.5M people qualify for this MSA subdivision which is based on the presence of multiple county-based employment centers. San Francisco and Oakland each have their own metropolitan division as well as Dallas and Fort Worth.
This is where the newest delineation, metropolitan division, comes in handy. Only MSAs containing an urbanized area of at least 2.5M people qualify for this MSA subdivision which is based on the presence of multiple county-based employment centers. San Francisco and Oakland each have their own metropolitan division as well as Dallas and Fort Worth.
This entire site should move towards Metro Divisions. It's way more representative and way more useful 4/5 times.
This entire site should move towards Metro Divisions. It's way more representative and way more useful 4/5 times.
Boston sure has a ton of them.
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