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Old 05-30-2020, 06:58 PM
 
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MSP is full of white social liberals who've run that place for a long time. It's an unlikely candidate for racial unrest given it's full of progressives, so you'd get the idea that the municipal authorities would have very progressive policies in place. The fact that nevertheless people across the world see news of Minneapolis having this situation is kinda curious.
An unlikely candidate for racial unrest?
Any city that systematically zoned black residents out of areas of town for decades sends like the perfect candidate for race tires to me.

In this article it shows how the spread of blacks into neighborhoods were halted by covenants restricting sale of property to Blacks: https://apple.news/AmRGXd8fSTMqry81Fhrh3TA

It shows that the city was segregated by design, and the cops behaved in a protective manner in the whiter areas and behaved in a more oppressive manner in the blacker areas.

Racism created these situations and Minneapolis it's no different.
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Old 05-30-2020, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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An unlikely candidate for racial unrest?
Any city that systematically zoned black residents out of areas of town for decades sends like the perfect candidate for race tires to me.

In this article it shows how the spread of blacks into neighborhoods were halted by covenants restricting sale of property to Blacks: https://apple.news/AmRGXd8fSTMqry81Fhrh3TA

It shows that the city was segregated by design, and the cops behaved in a protective manner in the whiter areas and behaved in a more oppressive manner in the blacker areas.

Racism created these situations and Minneapolis it's no different.
However, this is a better-than-normal example of what "institutional racism" means, for here, the real estate industry in Minneapolis/St. Paul was simply following the norms established by the industry trade group, the National Association of Real Estate Boards (now National Association of Realtors), which began to promote covenants after the Supreme Court struck down legal American apartheid in Buchanan v. Warley.

And thus we have racism without racists.
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Old 05-30-2020, 09:00 PM
 
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An unlikely candidate for racial unrest?
Any city that systematically zoned black residents out of areas of town for decades sends like the perfect candidate for race tires to me.

In this article it shows how the spread of blacks into neighborhoods were halted by covenants restricting sale of property to Blacks: https://apple.news/AmRGXd8fSTMqry81Fhrh3TA

It shows that the city was segregated by design, and the cops behaved in a protective manner in the whiter areas and behaved in a more oppressive manner in the blacker areas.

Racism created these situations and Minneapolis it's no different.
I can see why you would think that Minneapolis was especially bad from the article, but a little context is helpful. EVERY non- Jim Crow American city had private racial deed restrictions in the first half of the 1900's

There were two types of racial segregation in the early 1900's. In the Jim Crow South you had legal restrictions on where non-white people could live. Those lasted until the Civil Rights Movement in the late 1960's. In the rest of the country, including Minneapolis, developers put voluntary deed restrictions on properties that they built that restricted ownership to white people. So, it was sort of the private equivalent of Jim Crow. Those restrictions were eliminated by a Supreme Court decision in 1948.

Now here is where the context comes in. In Minneapolis, it was about 5% of residential properies that had racial deed restrictions until they were eliminated in 1948. We know a lot more about deed restrictions in Minneapolis than most cities, because there is a professor at the University of Minnesota that studied it pretty thoroughly. If you look at the map of the city in this article from Jan, you can see how tiny of a portion of the city had covenants:

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2020/...judice/604105/

I think you'd be hard pressed to find another US city from this time that had such a low percentage, likely because Minneapolis didn't have a large presence of non-white people. Having non-white neighbors probably wasn't something that people worried about as much as in more diverse cities, because it was unlikely to begin with. The wealthy areas in the SW part of the city have almost no deed restrictions. It looks like it was mostly lower middle class areas in South Minneapolis that had them, likely because those were areas that non-white people could afford to buy homes.

By comparison, almost every home I looked at in LA built between 1918 and 1948 had had deed restrictions. I would be surprised if Detroit, Milwaukee, Chicago, Cincinnati, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh didn't have sharply higher rates of deed restrictions than Minneapolis.
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Old 05-30-2020, 09:11 PM
 
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My point is: America has a race problem and Minneapolis is no exception. You have to read the quoted post for context.
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Old 05-30-2020, 09:23 PM
 
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No. Minneapolis is a majority white, “progressive†(note the quotations), wealthier city - it’s a totally different dynamic than Baltimore and St. Louis, which are majority-black, more economically depressed, and have much higher crime rates.
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Old 05-30-2020, 09:38 PM
 
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The riots did last "almost a week," Maybe even a little longer:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_B...4:_Riots_begin
I live here, and was standing right there when the initial riot kicked off that Saturday. I do not need Wikipedia to tell me what I saw for myself.
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Old 05-30-2020, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Tampa - St. Louis
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Nowhere near to the degree as Baltimore or St. Louis (Ferguson). Those two cities are demographically worlds apart that had inherent problems that MSP lacked during its riots.
Minneapolis has some of the worst racial wealth inequality in the country. Contrary to popular belief. St. Louis and Baltimore metros have way more middle class black people than Twin Cities, despite having way bigger ghettos obviously.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...al-inequality/
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Old 05-30-2020, 10:25 PM
 
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My point is: America has a race problem and Minneapolis is no exception. You have to read the quoted post for context.
I read the post before I replied. While I agree with what you say your point is, I don't think that was the point of the article you linked to, and I disagree with the author that Minneapolis was in anyway special in this regard. While Ms. Delegard did amazing research on racial deed restrictions, her quote in your article that the areas with deed restrictions are the whitest areas in Minneapolis today is simply not true. Southwest Minneapolis, where there were almost no racial deed restrictions, is the Whitest neighborhoods in the city.
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Old 05-31-2020, 03:58 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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It's not the pre-internet world, in those days a city riot would cause the city lose its economy just because violence would spark people to move out and companies to leave after.

Almost all of the economy is now digitalized and monitored from anywhere on this world.

Minneapolis has a good concentration of wealth.

Baltimore and Saint Louis are dying cities because there are no jobs, the economy has moved to other places. There is really nothing that makes people want to go to Detroit, or Cleveland, or Baltimore.
Here we go again! The dissing and dismissing of the "Rust Belt" region from someone the Coasts.
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Old 05-31-2020, 05:05 AM
 
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Minneapolis has some of the worst racial wealth inequality in the country. Contrary to popular belief. St. Louis and Baltimore metros have way more middle class black people than Twin Cities, despite having way bigger ghettos obviously.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...al-inequality/
Genuinely curious how, if at all, the role of the Somali community impacts these numbers? My very uninformed sense is that STL and Baltimore have long-standing "African-American" populations while Minneapolis's "black" population is more heavily composed of 1st/2nd gen populations from Africa?

Given the gap looks to be driven by higher than average white household incomes with fairly average black incomes, maybe the Somali community just nets out to be on par with typical AA household? Recently arrived maybe poorer than median AA, but large upward mobility typically seen among immigrant groups across time puts it on par?

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