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Old 06-08-2020, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Those who have been on CD for a number of years have probably seen this article tossed around:

https://www.newgeography.com/content...the-white-city

Admittedly, that article is now over 10 years old and things may not completely be the same as they were then. But population trends are not any different. The goal of this thread is to discuss if there is a difference between how minorities and white people see liberal, white majority cities.

Lets determine first what we mean by "liberal, white cites". These cities must:
-Be majority white
-Whites must be their fastest growing demographic
-They must embody a culture or have a reputation of being liberal
-The counties they reside in must have voted blue in the last election

Based on those requirements we can point to several cities as being "liberal, white cities:
-Austin
-Salt Lake City
-Portland
-Denver
-Nashville
-Raleigh/Durham

Cities that were close but I didnt include:
-Minneapolis/St. Paul: it is a majority white metropolitan area, but Africans are the fastest growing demographic. However, it has to be emphasized that Africans and not African Americans are the source of the black growth.
-Charlotte: Caucasians are the fastest growing group for the metro area and the county is blue, but the city doesn't have as much of a reputation for being super liberal or conservative.

Below are the actual growth demographics between 2013-2018:

Austin:
White: 108,394
Hispanic: 106,853
Asian: 35,526
Black: 18,455

Denver:
White: 144,582
Hispanic: 85,846
Asian: 24,231
Black: 17,921

Nashville:
White: 102,964
Hispanic: 27,058
Black: 20,293
Asian: 10,804

Portland:
White: 80,663
Hispanic: 59,606
Asian: 35,077
Black: 6,613

Raleigh/Durham:
White: 95,729
Hispanic: 30,396
Asian: 24,582
Black: 23,177

Salt Lake City:
White: 124,473
Hispanic: 54,983
Asian: 12,379
Black: 4,363

These trends are extremely unusual for American metropolitan areas. Its interesting to note that black growth is the slowest of each of these cities except for Nashville. This is where my theory that there is a big gap between how white people and minorities (especially African Americans) view these places. Another important thing to note is that international immigration is quite low into these metro areas given their total growth.

These five white majority liberal cities are very popular and very high growth. However, when compared to other high growth areas in the US, the trends are very different:

Atlanta:
Black: 222,757
Hispanic: 66,989
Asian: 74,071
White: 46,154

Dallas/Fort Worth:
Hispanic: 280,344
Black: 165,365
Asian: 144,870
White: 107,947

Houston:
Hispanic: 352,964
Black: 125,117
Asian: 109,341
White: 67,022

Orlando:
Hispanic: 190,733
Black: 53,733
White: 29,483
Asian: 16,153

Phoenix:
Hispanic: 199,489
White: 138,064
Black: 45,643
Asian: 32,629

Seattle/Tacoma:
Asian: 115,216
White: 63,433
Hispanic: 60,215
Black: 33,287

In looking at this, what do you feel the major differences are that would be more likely to draw minorities to the cities immediately above? Do minorities see the liberal white cities as that drastically different than the cities in the second grouping? All mentioned cities had booming economies in 2018 when these numbers were finalized but there is a huge preference for the 2nd grouping among minorities especially among African Americans. Is it completely perception and if so what could the first grouping of cities do to attract a more diverse set of new residents? If one grouping of cities is more preferable to you, what is it that makes you feel that way?
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Old 06-08-2020, 06:01 PM
 
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All of the cities you mention still have a disproportionatrly high amount of Hispanics moving there, especially Austin where they are just behind whites in growth.
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Old 06-08-2020, 06:26 PM
 
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Salt Lake City and Raleigh/Durham both being included as "White" cities?????

This should tell you something is very much out of whack with the criteria.
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Old 06-08-2020, 06:40 PM
 
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All of the cities you mention still have a disproportionatrly high amount of Hispanics moving there, especially Austin where they are just behind whites in growth.
A lot of the White growth is probably "White Hispanic" growth. I'm curious at the non-white hispanic growth numbers for all of these cities
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Old 06-08-2020, 06:41 PM
 
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Also Seattle's white growth is a big shock to me. I thought it would be a lot higher. Only 63k between those five years?
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Old 06-08-2020, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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The article is dated and one dimensional. I am black and liberal and like most of the cities mentioned except Portland. It was not very welcoming and felt like an exploitation/caricature of liberal ideals.
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Old 06-08-2020, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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The article is dated and one dimensional. I am black and liberal and like most of the cities mentioned except Portland. It was not very welcoming and felt like an exploitation/caricature of liberal ideals.
This is not based on the article though. I included the link because it is tossed around on this site. The numbers are the most important part of this. The growth rates of all are very white heavy and all have a low proportion of black growth specifically with the possible exception of Nashville. What is it that the communities as a whole don’t see in them?

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Salt Lake City and Raleigh/Durham both being included as "White" cities?????

This should tell you something is very much out of whack with the criteria.
I go where the data goes and that’s what it says. The growth numbers don’t lie. Based on my criteria, which was quite objective, they might the criteria of high white growth and liberal.

Salt Lake City is actually the whitest of the bunch by demographics.
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Old 06-08-2020, 08:26 PM
 
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A lot of the White growth is probably "White Hispanic" growth. I'm curious at the non-white hispanic growth numbers for all of these cities
I think they're separated here.
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Old 06-08-2020, 09:05 PM
 
Location: Get off my lawn?
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Raleigh-Durham certainly isn’t a city, it’s a metro, and I’d hesitate to call it “liberal” and “white” as a main descriptor. The overall metro is plenty diverse, with the heterogeneous population spread across the constituent cities and non-incorporated areas, and reasonably reflective of National and regional norms. Growth is balanced, and the growth numbers for Asian (assuming including South Asian) match the significant job growth in IT and pharma/biotech, and Hispanic the growth in building trades, manufacturing/processing, and household services (beyond an established agricultural base). It tends to be a mixed “purple” in its political character, and does skew better educated overall. The biggest dynamic here is generally economic and educational, between white collar (college+), blue collar (skilled trades), and working poor (both urban and rural).
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Old 06-08-2020, 09:44 PM
 
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Salt Lake City and Raleigh/Durham both being included as "White" cities?????

This should tell you something is very much out of whack with the criteria.
How is SLC not a White city exactly?
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