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Old 06-17-2020, 04:24 PM
 
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Seems like the most likely reason is that they were casualties of a more competitive high-end retail market.
Meh, the high-end retail market is no more competitive in DFW than in other top 10 metros.
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Old 06-17-2020, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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One thing I find interesting however is that as much as some people have this perception of Dallas being this pretentious, business-oriented city with a ton of money, it is the only top 10 metro in the country that has neither a Saks Fifth Avenue (the one location they had at the Galleria closed in 2013) nor a Bloomingdales.

You would think a metro of 7.5 million people and a CSA of 8 million people would be able to support one or both, so it's interesting that both stores have passed it over.

Even Atlanta has both a Bloomingdales and a Saks Fifth Avenue (despite 1.5 million fewer people).
There is no Bloomingdales in the Texas market at all for some reason.
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Old 06-17-2020, 05:10 PM
 
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Meh, the high-end retail market is no more competitive in DFW than in other top 10 metros.
You sure about that?

Either way, I don't think the loss of Saks negates the popular perception of Dallas. When I was there 5 years ago and visited the Galleria, there was still a distinctly upscale feel to the mall and the area in general and Saks had already left by then.
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Old 06-17-2020, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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You sure about that?

Either way, I don't think the loss of Saks negates the popular perception of Dallas. When I was there 5 years ago and visited the Galleria, there was still a distinctly upscale feel to the mall and the area in general and Saks had already left by then.
They're also the home Nieman Marcus, with multiple locations throughout the Metroplex and an extremely loyal following. That has to be a factor.
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Old 06-17-2020, 05:27 PM
 
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They're also the home Nieman Marcus, with multiple locations throughout the Metroplex and an extremely loyal following. That has to be a factor.
Right. I knew Dallas was home to NM headquarters but didn't know how many were in the metro area. Having more locations than most other large metros would definitely play a role.
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Old 06-17-2020, 06:44 PM
 
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You sure about that?

Either way, I don't think the loss of Saks negates the popular perception of Dallas. When I was there 5 years ago and visited the Galleria, there was still a distinctly upscale feel to the mall and the area in general and Saks had already left by then.
I don't disagree about the perception of Dallas. But since there was a comment about the amenities found in different cities, I was merely pointing out how Dallas is missing two of the most distinctively upscale department stores in the country, which is surprising for the 4th largest and fastest growing metro area in the country.

However, it is true that there are 4 Neiman Marcus locations throughout the Metroplex.

As far as the Galleria, I'm not sure what you mean by "upscale feel," but it has been slowly bleeding its upscale stores in favor of NorthPark and Highland Park Village.
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Old 06-17-2020, 07:31 PM
 
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So uhmm, is "upscale department stores" what we mean by "urban amenities"? Personally IDGAF about Sak's locations.
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Old 06-17-2020, 08:03 PM
 
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As far as the Galleria, I'm not sure what you mean by "upscale feel," but it has been slowly bleeding its upscale stores in favor of NorthPark and Highland Park Village.
I was there in 2015 so maybe things have changed somewhat since then. It would be a shame if that's the case though.
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Old 06-17-2020, 08:08 PM
 
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So uhmm, is "upscale department stores" what we mean by "urban amenities"?
"Urban amenities" is broad enough that it can encompass a number of things.

And yes, IMO, the extent of upscale shopping options is definitely within the purview of how cities stack up in terms of amenities.
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Old 06-17-2020, 08:19 PM
 
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I don't think Dallas has any less urban amenities than Atlanta. But it feels that way to a casual observer. Living in either city it is a wash.
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