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Both CSAs have 33 foreign countries with 100,000+ immgrants living there--Among the 10 largest groups of each, Bay Area newcomers travel much longer distances on average...
San Francisco(Distance in Air Miles from SFO)
Total: 33 Countries,Average Distance of Top 10 Countries to SFO: 5,470 miles
677,838 Mexico(1,881 miles)
332,487 China(6,133 miles)
301,609 India(7,679 miles)
287,997 Philippines(6,970 miles)
184,917 Vietnam(7,824 miles)
80,513 El Salvador(2,640 miles)
65,045 Taiwan(6,542 miles)
56,467 Korea(5,615 miles)
53,353 Hong Kong(6,910 miles)
44,573 Guatemala(2,514 miles)
41,779 Iran(7,351 miles)
39,988 Canada(2,259 miles)
28,917 Japan(5,108 miles)
27,128 Germany(5,681 miles)
26,926 Russia(5,875 miles)
26,458 Nicaragua(2,841 miles)
23,303 Afghanistan(7,808 miles)
22,755 Pakistan(7,532 miles)
18,226 Fiji(5,435 miles)
18,007 France(5,565 miles)
17,453 Brazil(6,472 miles)
17,389 Burma(7,623 miles)
17,102 Peru(4,501 miles)
15,064 Thailand(7,923 miles)
14,711 Ukraine(6,129 miles)
14,226 England(5,351 miles)
14,174 Colombia(3,787 miles)
13,547 Cambodia(7,589 miles)
13,178 Portugal(5,667 miles)
11,429 Nepal(7,559 miles)
10,694 Italy(6,247 miles)
10,646 Ethiopia(8,988 miles)
10,520 Laos(7,506 miles)
Interesting data, and I think this backs up the assertion that Miami is less "global" than it is "regional."
Miami doesn't have a single immigrant group from outside the Americas over 25k, whereas SF has 11.
Ignoring the Americas, Miami has 5 countries in Asia represented and 7 in Europe. SF has 16 from Asia, 7 from Europe, 1 from Africa and 1 Pacific Island nation represented.
Why would Africans "almost certainly" know SF more than they would Miami?
Also, as for these companies, yes, they are HUGE. However, does this mean that the average foreigner knows where they are headquartered? Or do they just know that they are American brands, HQ'd somewhere in the U.S.?
Does the average American know what city Toyota is headquartered in? Or just that it's a major car brand HQ'd somewhere in Japan? (It's HQ'd in the city of Toyota. I'd wager most don't even know such a city exists. And yes, it is a big city.)
I think a lot of Americans are far overestimating the global awareness of their cities. After NYC, LA and DC, it's a huge blur for most of the world.
That's an interesting point-but I would still echo the follow up. Sure, Toyota exists in Toyota, but as far as I know that is the company there... as opposed to a place like Detroit (at least historically)-literally being Motor City, or in this case the SF Area literally being Silicon Valley. It doesn't hurt that places like Shenzhen, Bangalore are considered the "Silicon Valley" of their respective regions and in many cases have direct business and transit and even migratory connections. I can speak to an instance when my father was on a cruise and happened to be wearing a Stanford sweatshirt (no actual connection there), and he was approached by foreigners on the ship precisely because of that. Do they know Stanford is in SF area? I think there's at least a chance they'd literally think it was in SF, as opposed to near it.
As for Africa, I agree there perhaps isn't that direct component there. But, I really do think that in the way that DC is associated with politics, NY is associated as a global crossroads/financial hub, and LA as a global media and entertainment hub/lifestyle-I think SF benefits from being in CA in terms of the global rep that has, but I also think that SF is on some level globally associated with progress in tech, and generalized success/innovation. That doesn't mean a ton of people in Africa know a lot about SF-but I think there is more of a reason for them to know of SF than to know Miami, and perhaps any other city besides those you mention and possibly Houston (though I think that applies more just to Nigeria).
Why does the thread title say Miami or SF Bay Area and not South Florida or SF Bay Area. Places like Palm Beach - Ft. Lauderdale - Boca Raton are pretty well known too. If you're going to include Silicon Valley for San Francisco you gotta include all the South Florida cities too.
Why does the thread title say Miami or SF Bay Area and not South Florida or SF Bay Area. Places like Palm Beach - Ft. Lauderdale - Boca Raton are pretty well known too. If you're going to include Silicon Valley for San Francisco you gotta include all the South Florida cities too.
I meant Greater Miami, of course. But I don't know that Ft. Lauderdale or even Palm Beach is as much of a brand as Silicon Valley is. Cities aren't marketing themselves the Palm Beach of Europe or the Palm Beach of India, even if they are beach resorts.
I meant Greater Miami, of course. But I don't know that Ft. Lauderdale or even Palm Beach is as much of a brand as Silicon Valley is. Cities aren't marketing themselves the Palm Beach of Europe or the Palm Beach of India, even if they are beach resorts.
They're not. WPB is popular with French Canadians. Ft Lauderdale is seen as an extension of Miami #2. And it pretty much is exactly that.
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Actually, Tel Aviv—a popular beachfront city and party destination in its own right (and NOT part of the America's)—is referred to as the Miami of the Middle East.
Demographically, once you get north of Ft Lauderdale it becomes less diverse (whiter/conservative/more homogeneous). Ft Lauderdale is known to UHNWI around the globe as the yachting capital of the world and hosts, along with Miami, a huge International Boat Show each year. Doesn’t mean Monaco calls itself the FLL of the world, but it is known.
Palm Beach is Palm Beach—a reputation around the world as an enclave for the very wealthy, including one individual who resides at Mar-o-Lago, and high end boutiques on Worth Avenue, if not as famous as BH’s Rodeo Drive. Doesn’t make it unique but those with money here and abroad are well aware of it. I equated San Clemente with Nixon, long before I ever moved to California; I suspect some (not just wealthy or fans) will equate Mar-o-Largo / Palm Beach to Trump, even when he is out of office (less outside the USA—except for Russia...lol)..
Greater Miami (including up to Jupiter) has been given a nickname of Wall Street South—not just for the international banking hub known as Brickell but as more and more prominent US hedge funds have relocated to the area in recent years. This includes Carl Icahn, Paul Singer, David Tepper’s Appaloosa Managent, Barry Sternlicht’s Starwood Capital, Paul Tudor Jones, SkyBridge Capital and others. Most / likely all of these funds have international clients.
I meant Greater Miami, of course. But I don't know that Ft. Lauderdale or even Palm Beach is as much of a brand as Silicon Valley is. Cities aren't marketing themselves the Palm Beach of Europe or the Palm Beach of India, even if they are beach resorts.
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Interesting data, and I think this backs up the assertion that Miami is less "global" than it is "regional."
Miami doesn't have a single immigrant group from outside the Americas over 25k, whereas SF has 11.
Ignoring the Americas, Miami has 5 countries in Asia represented and 7 in Europe. SF has 16 from Asia, 7 from Europe, 1 from Africa and 1 Pacific Island nation represented.
Yeah I just have a different idea of international travel.
short haul flights: under 3 hours
medium haul flights: 3-6 hours
long haul flights: 6-12 hours
ultra long haul flights: 12 hours+
Just to contrast:
Miami to Havana: 57 minutes
Miami to Port-Au-Prince: 1hr 55 minutes
Miami to Bogota: 3hrs 35 minutes
Miami to Caracas: 3hrs 14 minutes
Miami to Kingston: 1hr 40 minutes
Miami to Managua: 2hrs
Miami to Mexico City: 3hrs 35 minutes
Miami to Tegucigalpa: 2hrs 24 minutes
Miami to Santo Domingo: 2hrs 15 minutes
Miami to Lima: 7hrs 45 minutes
San Francisco to Mexico City: 4hrs 20 minutes
San Francisco to Shanghai: 13hrs 40 minutes
San Francisco to Delhi: 15hrs 55 minutes
San Francisco to Manila: 13hrs 50 minutes
San Francisco to Ho Chi Minh City: 14hrs 40 minutes
San Francisco to San Salvador: 5hrs 30 minutes
San Francisco to Taipei: 13hrs 40 minutes
San Francisco to Seoul: 13hrs 0 minutes
San Francisco to Hong Kong: 15hrs 05 minutes
San Francisco to Guatemala City: 5hrs 15 minutes
Also I just noticed, 6 of SFs top immigrant communities home airports are located in mega cities with 20 million+ population, 7 are GAWC Alpha Cities including HK which ranks 3rd in the world, Shanghai which ranks 5th in the world, along with Mexico City, Delhi, Manila, Taipei and Seoul are all Alphas too-along with SF itself.
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