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View Poll Results: Is SF or Miami more iconic outside the US?
SF Bay Area--Golden Gate Bridge, Silicon Valley 57 64.77%
Miami--South Beach, Little Havana 30 34.09%
Neither--Cleveland is more famous than both, because of Lebron and the Cavaliers, and NBA is big internationally! 1 1.14%
Voters: 88. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-22-2020, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Visitation from Europe's largest countries is about the same more or less. I would have thought Miami would have had way more tbh.

% of Travelers from Foreign Countries that Visited SF and Miami, 2019

France
San Francisco 14.45%
Miami 13.05%

Germany
San Francisco 12.28%
Miami 9.13%

Italy
Miami 19.17%
San Francisco 11.10%

United Kingdom
San Francisco 6.74%
Miami 6.33%

I suppose this affirms my theory that this really is a rather good match up.
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Old 10-22-2020, 11:23 AM
 
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Also, as for these companies, yes, they are HUGE. However, does this mean that the average foreigner knows where they are headquartered? Or do they just know that they are American brands, HQ'd somewhere in the U.S.?
Well, they'd know these companies are part of Silicon Valley, and they'd say Silicon Valley is San Francisco, or at least in California.

There are cities all over the world that call themselves the Silicon Valley of China, of India, of this or that country. Or the Silicon Wadi of Israel, etc. Some variation on the name Silicon, all pointing back to Silicon Valley.

While tourism is, yes, important to a city's fame, you can't underestimate the power of industry to a city's fame. Withoit Wall Street, NYC would still be famous for the Statue of Liberty and the ball drop in Times Square, but NYC is really that much more famous for having Wall Street, which has become synonymous with finance and banks around the world. Same goes with Silicon Valley and tech.
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Old 10-22-2020, 11:41 AM
 
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I find it hard to believe Houston would be more famous in Nigeria than DC or LA or SF.

I think much of it has to do with immigration. Most Nigerians do not have PCs. The ones who have PCs are the ones who are relatively affluent and who are more likely to have relatives who can afford to immigrate to the US, preferably to areas with a large Black population, which San Francisco doesn't have. Which US city is actually more well known by its landmarks and industry in Nigeria is a different question.
I believe I've read somewhere that Houston has one of the largest Nigerian populations. Although I'm not positive. Assuming that's true; that could be why.
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Old 10-22-2020, 12:06 PM
 
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Visitation from Europe's largest countries is about the same more or less. I would have thought Miami would have had way more tbh.

% of Travelers from Foreign Countries that Visited SF and Miami, 2019

France
San Francisco 14.45%
Miami 13.05%

Germany
San Francisco 12.28%
Miami 9.13%

Italy
Miami 19.17%
San Francisco 11.10%

United Kingdom
San Francisco 6.74%
Miami 6.33%

I suppose this affirms my theory that this really is a rather good match up.
Source?
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Old 10-22-2020, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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In Latin America, Miami. In Asia, San Francisco. In Europe, a tie.
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Old 10-22-2020, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Visitation from Europe's largest countries is about the same more or less. I would have thought Miami would have had way more tbh.

% of Travelers from Foreign Countries that Visited SF and Miami, 2019

France
San Francisco 14.45%
Miami 13.05%

Germany
San Francisco 12.28%
Miami 9.13%

Italy
Miami 19.17%
San Francisco 11.10%

United Kingdom
San Francisco 6.74%
Miami 6.33%

I suppose this affirms my theory that this really is a rather good match up.
Wouldn't absolute numbers matter more here?
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Old 10-22-2020, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Flawduh
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post
Visitation from Europe's largest countries is about the same more or less. I would have thought Miami would have had way more tbh.

% of Travelers from Foreign Countries that Visited SF and Miami, 2019

France
San Francisco 14.45%
Miami 13.05%

Germany
San Francisco 12.28%
Miami 9.13%

Italy
Miami 19.17%
San Francisco 11.10%

United Kingdom
San Francisco 6.74%
Miami 6.33%

I suppose this affirms my theory that this really is a rather good match up.
This is weird... Miami is the third most visited US city by Europeans (SF is 4th.) Of those visitors, the French account for 18% in Miami, and 8% in SF.
Raw numbers would put Miami at roughly 4x the amount of French visitors than SF.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/infog...-fav_b_3765836

And yes, it is a good matchup.
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Old 10-22-2020, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Miami (prev. NY, Atlanta, SF, OC and San Diego)
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Looks like 18Montclair's source summary was obtained from the following website, courtesy of the National Travel & Tourism Office (one needs to select individual countries after scrolling down to 2019 market profile overseas visitors under Europe).

https://travel.trade.gov/outreachpag...d_overview.asp

It appears to give the percentage figures he provided, but some information for certain countries is incomplete (i.e. For Spain, percentages are provided for the states of CA and FL but not broken down to the city, SF and Miami, level; Switzerland data is incomplete--no data for 2019)...I, too, would love to see absolute numbers instead.

Many consider Russia part of Europe--certainly the population centers of Moscow and St Petersburg are--but I could not find stats for them on the site (unless I missed them). Would love to see such figures as I know there is a definite Russian presence (not just visitors, but residents) in Miami; not as familiar about SF.
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Old 10-22-2020, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Wouldn't absolute numbers matter more here?
Well, no because these percentages are based off the same total number of visitors from each country so whomever has the higher percentage also has the higher corresponding number.

Furthermore,

There were 16 airport-to-airport routes between US and foreign airports that had 1 millon+ passengers in 2019. Here they are:

Rank/ Airport-Pair/ 2019 Total Passengers/2018-2019 Growth Rate
1 JFK-LHR 3,025,847 +6%

2 JFK-CDG 1,613,180 +4%

3 LAX-LHR 1,603,307 No Change

4 LGA-YYZ 1,593,621 +3%

5 HNL-NRT 1,560,278 -4%

6 ORD-LHR 1,180,085 +12%

7 SFO-HKG 1,129,521 +17%

8 LAX-MEX 1,104,857 -12%

9 LAX-ICN 1,102,279 -9%

10 LAX-HKG 1,081,951 +17%

11 SFO-LHR 1,055,482 +7%

12 JFK-MEX 1,055,159 +9%

13 EWR-LHR 1,038,547 +3%

14 ORD-YYZ 1,026,639 -1%

15 MIA-LHR 1,025,343 +6%

16 SFO-TPE 1,015,148 +4%


Source: US Dept of Transportation

Also, MIA had more total international passengers, but SFO had more foreign travelers as a percentage of their international passenger count. 42% for MIA vs 68% for SFO-this means that the majority of MIAs international travelers were US residents. I'm guessing much of that is naturalized residents and their US-born children visiting and returning from their ancestral homelands in Latin America.
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Old 10-22-2020, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Looks like 18Montclair's source summary was obtained from the following website, courtesy of the National Travel & Tourism Office (one needs to select individual countries after scrolling down to 2019 market profile overseas visitors under Europe).

https://travel.trade.gov/outreachpag...d_overview.asp

It appears to give the percentage figures he provided, but some information for certain countries is incomplete (i.e. For Spain, percentages are provided for the states of CA and FL but not broken down to the city, SF and Miami, level; Switzerland data is incomplete--no data for 2019)...I, too, would love to see absolute numbers instead.

Many consider Russia part of Europe--certainly the population centers of Moscow and St Petersburg are--but I could not find stats for them on the site (unless I missed them). Would love to see such figures as I know there is a definite Russian presence (not just visitors, but residents) in Miami; not as familiar about SF.
Yeah I only included European countries for which data for both Miami and SFO exist. I left out Asia and Latin America because we already know SFO and MIA dominate those respectively.
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