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Where you lost me was when you said it goes above what the Katy trail or Buffalo bayou trail connects. I never mentioned those trails so i had no idea what you are taking about.
If I was mentioning Houston Buffalo Bayou trail would not be what I would highlight.
The Whole City is covered by trails. In far excess of what Atlanta or DFW connects.
Houston Bayous criss cross the city and are progressively being linked by trails. Besides that you have dedicated grade separated trails on former rail tracks like the Columbia Tap trail that connects downtown/ the Green Purple rail line and BBVA stadium with The Brays Bayou trail which aldo connects with the purple line on one end, through to the Red Line and then on to South west Houston.
I think you underestimate the vastness of Houston trails.
38 miles at the absolute edge of Atlanta's metro. Still more walkable.
I agree Atlanta has more urbanized downtowns/ city centers in their suburbs than Houston and DFW but Houston and DFW has a lot more density in between the city core and their burbs.
Like driving from Atlanta to Newnan or Palmetto on I-85 is different than driving on I-45 from Houston to Conroe. I've made that drive down 85 South from Atlanta plenty of times and it's a lot of forestry in between that drive. First time I drove to places like Newnan or Mcdonough I was thinking to myself "Wait a min how am I still in the Atlanta metro area?" Coming from Texas sprawling metro I was taken a back by Atlanta's sprawl. Because it's either heavy forestry or rural like communities in between the city and the "burbs" depending on what part of the MSA your in. Whereas Houston and DFW MSA it's heavy density North,South, East, and West of these cities core. More so in Houston than in DFW.
Atlanta's consistent dense sprawl is more so in the North burbs. You take 85 N / 75 N/ 400 N you see that heavy dense sprawl that's more similar to Houston and DFW. East/West and South of the MSA it's just pockets of burbs with some nice modern looking walkable downtowns.
Now I will say areas like Chamblee/ Brookhaven/ Sandy Springs/ Dunwoody/Smyrna/ Decatur are more urban than any areas outside of Houston's core. Cause even though Houston is more dense than Atlanta as far as MSA's go it's still built somewhat suburban like.
I think some of DFW burbs are closer to Atlanta's urbanized suburbs. Just my take.
And man are we talking about the Beltline vs. Katy Trail subject again? There is nothing like the Beltline in DFW or Houston.
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And man are we talking about the Beltline vs. Katy Trail subject again? There is nothing like the Beltline in DFW or Houston.
Exactly. I don’t know why the Dallasitws in this thread find it hard to believe that the Beltline is doing d something you can’t find in Texas. “The Beltline screams DFW”. Last time I checked, it screams Atlanta. Craziness. DFW has it edges over Atlanta of course. The Beltline isn’t one of them.
I get that, but there’s lots of apartments and condos that open right onto the trail. The Turtle Creek side of the trail is pretty much all parks, there’s a few restaurants right on the trail, but you can directly access Victory Park, Knox District, Mockingbird Station and SMU East Campus. West Village is a block off of the trail. It’s all walkable and easily accessible. Zoning in place really limits the size and types of developments right along the trail to maintain its character. There will never be a ton of retail right up against the trail, but you can easily grab lunch, drinks, shopping and even a Mavs/Stars game or concert right on the trail.
I get that, but there’s lots of apartments and condos that open right onto the trail. The Turtle Creek side of the trail is pretty much all parks, there’s a few restaurants right on the trail, but you can directly access Victory Park, Knox District, Mockingbird Station and SMU East Campus. West Village is a block off of the trail. It’s all walkable and easily accessible. Zoning in place really limits the size and types of developments right along the trail to maintain its character. There will never be a ton of retail right up against the trail, but you can easily grab lunch, drinks, shopping and even a Mavs/Stars game or concert right on the trail.
So you admit that the two trails aren’t the same? Because if you have to leave the trail to visit the attractions you want to go to, the trail itself isn’t a destination. The Beltline is not just a transportation corridor or recreation trail, it’s a destination in and of itself.
I agree Atlanta has more urbanized downtowns/ city centers in their suburbs than Houston and DFW but Houston and DFW has a lot more density in between the city core and their burbs.
Like driving from Atlanta to Newnan or Palmetto on I-85 is different than driving on I-45 from Houston to Conroe. I've made that drive down 85 South from Atlanta plenty of times and it's a lot of forestry in between that drive. First time I drove to places like Newnan or Mcdonough I was thinking to myself "Wait a min how am I still in the Atlanta metro area?" Coming from Texas sprawling metro I was taken a back by Atlanta's sprawl. Because it's either heavy forestry or rural like communities in between the city and the "burbs" depending on what part of the MSA your in. Whereas Houston and DFW MSA it's heavy density North,South, East, and West of these cities core. More so in Houston than in DFW.
Atlanta's consistent dense sprawl is more so in the North burbs. You take 85 N / 75 N/ 400 N you see that heavy dense sprawl that's more similar to Houston and DFW. East/West and South of the MSA it's just pockets of burbs with some nice modern looking walkable downtowns.
Now I will say areas like Chamblee/ Brookhaven/ Sandy Springs/ Dunwoody/Smyrna/ Decatur are more urban than any areas outside of Houston's core. Cause even though Houston is more dense than Atlanta as far as MSA's go it's still built somewhat suburban like.
I think some of DFW burbs are closer to Atlanta's urbanized suburbs. Just my take.
And man are we talking about the Beltline vs. Katy Trail subject again? There is nothing like the Beltline in DFW or Houston.
This is why I constantly say that density is not urbanity. I can understand why some would be confused when I show them two neighborhoods (This vs This) and say that the latter is better because of its build form. I don't care about density in Houston when those same people with smaller yards and lot sizes get in their car just like suburban Atlantans and drive to the same kinds of office parks and strip malls. At least most Atlantans have pockets of walkability near them that are better blueprints for future development and transit connectivity even if they have to drive to them in the present. Even if the people in the second streetview live in a more rural and less dense community, they can leave their house in the morning and walk to a cafe for breakfast. The citizens in nearby South Fulton with larger lot sizes can drive in, walk around, and still enjoy nature. And if they want to visit the city, they are still just miles from a more urban and walkable core than either Dallas or Houston. That's a lot more functional than a dense subdivision surrounded by more dense subdivisions.
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I agree Atlanta has more urbanized downtowns/ city centers in their suburbs than Houston and DFW but Houston and DFW has a lot more density in between the city core and their burbs.
Like driving from Atlanta to Newnan or Palmetto on I-85 is different than driving on I-45 from Houston to Conroe. I've made that drive down 85 South from Atlanta plenty of times and it's a lot of forestry in between that drive. First time I drove to places like Newnan or Mcdonough I was thinking to myself "Wait a min how am I still in the Atlanta metro area?" Coming from Texas sprawling metro I was taken a back by Atlanta's sprawl. Because it's either heavy forestry or rural like communities in between the city and the "burbs" depending on what part of the MSA your in. Whereas Houston and DFW MSA it's heavy density North,South, East, and West of these cities core. More so in Houston than in DFW.
Atlanta's consistent dense sprawl is more so in the North burbs. You take 85 N / 75 N/ 400 N you see that heavy dense sprawl that's more similar to Houston and DFW. East/West and South of the MSA it's just pockets of burbs with some nice modern looking walkable downtowns.
Now I will say areas like Chamblee/ Brookhaven/ Sandy Springs/ Dunwoody/Smyrna/ Decatur are more urban than any areas outside of Houston's core. Cause even though Houston is more dense than Atlanta as far as MSA's go it's still built somewhat suburban like.
I think some of DFW burbs are closer to Atlanta's urbanized suburbs. Just my take.
And man are we talking about the Beltline vs. Katy Trail subject again? There is nothing like the Beltline in DFW or Houston.
What Atlanta suburbs are more “urbanized” than the DFW ones?
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