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Austin 44 24.04%
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Old 12-28-2020, 04:54 PM
 
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The 2019 GDP of the Fort Worth-Arlington-Grapevine metropolitan division is $133,177,534.

Source: https://apps.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.c...=5&statistic=1
Good deal
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Old 12-28-2020, 05:16 PM
 
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But this doesn't address why Austin has a much more visible problem than cities 3-4x its size (Houston and DFW). NYC and Boston don't have that much vacant housing yet they're able to house their homeless much better. Austin's not having enough vacant housing isn't the main issue. It's actually a small point. The biggest is definitely policy.


It's not that APD is allowing it, but Austin city hall is approving of it. It took businesses taking it into their own hands for it to change.

What I think might be happening - under the table - is the homeless economic department in Austin is developing from SF/LA/Seattle expats who have moved into Austin. There's a lot of money in the homeless industrial complex, and Austin is like a blank pallet for those people as they claim their stake on the growing market.
In the past I would have disagreed but today I can definitely see a cause for it. I can’t truly confirm what is happening though, but I definitely do feel that it is more than what meets the eye.
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Old 12-28-2020, 05:23 PM
 
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Are they building housing for it currently?

I remember something along those lines when Adler decreased the limitations where they could camp and Abbott stepped in and clarified / reversed some things.
This article has some good information about things that have been done: https://www.statesman.com/story/opin...ss/3966063001/

I don't think Abbot has authority to change anything in this area. My understanding is that camping in parks and on sidewalks is currently prohibited, and I believe that camping in parks was *always* prohibited. That said, it doesn't seem like this is strictly enforced by APD, and I'm not sure what the politics behind that are. I feel like APD has shown a general IDGAF attitude ever since the protests earlier in the year, so I wonder if it's related to that.
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Old 12-28-2020, 05:33 PM
 
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But this doesn't address why Austin has a much more visible problem than cities 3-4x its size (Houston and DFW). NYC and Boston don't have that much vacant housing yet they're able to house their homeless much better. Austin's not having enough vacant housing isn't the main issue. It's actually a small point. The biggest is definitely policy.
NYC has 57k homeless people with 20k sleeping in shelters.

Austin has 2500 homeless with ~1000 sheltered.

So NYC has 20x homeless people and shelter capacity with about 9x Austin's population.

Houston has 3700 homeless and 2200 sheltered with a bit more than 2x Austin's population.

Dallas 3700 homeless and 2600 sheltered with a population about 1.4x Austin.

Overall the idea that Austin is doing much worse than these other places looks like fake news to me. It does need to substantially expand shelter capacity (which I said).

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Old 12-28-2020, 06:00 PM
 
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NYC has 57k homeless people with 20k sleeping in shelters.

Austin has 2500 homeless with ~1000 sheltered.

So NYC has 20x homeless people and shelter capacity with about 9x Austin's population.

Houston has 3700 homeless and 2200 sheltered with a bit more than 2x Austin's population.

Dallas 3700 homeless and 2000 sheltered with a population about 1.4x Austin.

Overall the idea that Austin is doing much worse than these other places looks like fake news to me. It does need to substantially expand shelter capacity (which I said).
Fair points.
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Old 12-29-2020, 09:33 AM
 
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Fair points.
Really if you think about it, this is just another example of Austin's infrastructure lagging behind the population growth. If Austin shelters another 1k (on par with Houston and Dallas) then the unsheltered population would get cut by 66%
(From 1500 to 500). Eg more "fastest growing city in the US for 30+ years" problems.

If I'm running the city I aim to build 3-5 of these every year, make a few designated camping spots like the state did, and then strictly enforce no camping elsewhere, particularly in parks and sidewalks.
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Old 12-29-2020, 10:32 AM
 
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Austin is one of the most overrated cities in the USA.
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Old 12-29-2020, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Houston/Austin, TX
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Austin is one of the most overrated cities in the USA.
I agree. But what can I say, it's not trending for no reason.
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Old 12-29-2020, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Houston/Austin, TX
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Do you feel the city council is liberal? or woke?

I can kind of see cases for both, if hypothetically the council is allowing the problem to grow to gain public attention in essence hoping that the public will be ready to chip in for a tax to fix the problem. If that is the case atleast, it would seem they recognize the problem and want the public to recognize it too. Similarly as to how they strived to evade road improvements in the past in efforts to push transit.. in a sense a deliberate attempt to steer the public.
You can be liberal and woke. But Austin is notorious liberal-fake woke. They seem to lose some of their most "would be called woke" city council members to other cities. Not sure why.
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Old 12-29-2020, 08:16 PM
 
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You can be liberal and woke. But Austin is notorious liberal-fake woke. They seem to lose some of their most "would be called woke" city council members to other cities. Not sure why.
I think San Diego is similar in this regard. The most woke liberal places in the County are also the places strongly against any measures that could possibly introduce less desirable people (middle class...how revolting...)
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