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View Poll Results: What city is the most comparable to Baltimore?
Philadelphia 60 39.74%
Wilmington (Delaware) 24 15.89%
Washington, D.C. 14 9.27%
Norfolk 6 3.97%
Richmond 12 7.95%
Pittsburgh 11 7.28%
Boston 3 1.99%
Other 21 13.91%
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Old 03-29-2021, 03:05 PM
 
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Quite honestly I don't think any state in the US in modern times is more of the Mid Atlantic than Maryland. It is the epicenter period. NY and PA are not "more" mid Atlantic as a state than Maryland is, they are pure "Northern" while MD is the transition zone to the North, while VA also partially mid-Atlantic, is the transition zone to the South. PA isn't even on the Atlantic nor the Bay. IMO the epitome of a mid Atlantic state would be one that borders North/South while on the ocean, and Maryland is the only state in the US that does this...Well I guess Delaware is the other.

Simply go to the google search bar, type in "Mid Atlantic" then next put any letter from A-Z as the beginning of the next word. Almost every business, or company named "mid atlantic blank" that pops up, has an address in either Maryland or Virginia somewhere. It's silly to debate this.
Yeah to me, DC, MD, and DE constitute the epicenter of the mid-Atlantic.
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Old 03-29-2021, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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"Because we've always done it that way." Ugh. Great logical reasoning there, census statisticians.

How it is that anyone can doubt that Maryland is Mid-Atlantic is beyond me.

But that's an argument for a different thread.

But there seems to be more than one definition of "Mid-Atlantic."
I'd favor the one that encompasses DC, MD, DE, PA, NJ & NY
(the Northeastern states that aren't part of New England).

But some seem to think "Mid-Atlantic" straddles the Potomac to include VA,
maybe even NC, but excludes PA / NJ / NY.
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Old 03-29-2021, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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Quite honestly I don't think any state in the US in modern times is more of the Mid Atlantic than Maryland. It is the epicenter period. NY and PA are not "more" mid Atlantic as a state than Maryland is, they are pure "Northern" while MD is the transition zone to the North, while VA also partially mid-Atlantic, is the transition zone to the South. PA isn't even on the Atlantic nor the Bay. IMO the epitome of a mid Atlantic state would be one that borders North/South while on the ocean, and Maryland is the only state in the US that does this...Well I guess Delaware is the other.
While I agree that Maryland is likely the most quintessential Mid-Atlantic state, it's little-known fact that the Delaware River segment forming much of the Southeastern border of PA is actually a tidal estuary:



https://www.delawareestuary.org/about-the-estuary/

Also, about half of PA is in the Chesapeake watershed, so there's definitely a hydrological connection:



https://www.cbf.org/about-the-bay/ma...watershed.html
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Old 03-29-2021, 07:10 PM
 
Location: That star on your map in the middle of the East Coast, DMV
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While I agree that Maryland is likely the most quintessential Mid-Atlantic state, it's little-known fact that the Delaware River segment forming much of the Southeastern border of PA is actually a tidal estuary:



https://www.delawareestuary.org/about-the-estuary/

Also, about half of PA is in the Chesapeake watershed, so there's definitely a hydrological connection:



https://www.cbf.org/about-the-bay/ma...watershed.html
Oh it's all hydrologically connected, I was getting at the "epicenter". Southeastern PA is a part of the mid-Atlantic, but much of the rest of the state, meaning more than half, I'd say is less "mid Atlantic" than most of MD. The two states however are obviously entirely different sizes.
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Old 03-29-2021, 09:01 PM
 
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Old 03-29-2021, 09:07 PM
 
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To be fair with the Baltimore posters, I can see a connection between Baltimore and Central PA to a degree, especially York and Harrisburg. They're smaller cities, but there's a connection. The mayor of Harrisburg is a Baltimore native, if that will help warm Bmore's posters hearts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Papenfuse).

As far as the Baltimore-Philadelphia comparisons, it's just not there. Even the last posts of the Susquehanna River emptying into the Chesapeake Bay and the Delaware River emptying into the Delaware Bay, Phila doesn't have an active seafood culinary culture the way Baltimore has it with crabs and Boston has it with lobsters. We never developed such a culture because we're not close enough to a bay or ocean the way Baltimore or Boston is.

Plus Baltimore is a port city while Philadelphia was all about the railroads. Yes, Baltimore had the Baltimore and Ohio, while we had two great railroads (the Pennsylvania and Reading Railroads). The PRR was once the largest corporation in the world and the Reading had it's own greatness. The PRR is so great, the current Northeast Corridor between NYC and DC as well as the strech between Phila and Cleveland uses it's former ROW's. Can't say the same about the B&O except for the stretch between DC and Pittsburgh. MARC doesn't even use the rail stretch between Baltimore and Frederick (which is a shame since the MD gov't should consider reviving that route).

All in all, maybe we should close this thread because we proved everything how Bmore and Phila and how similar it is and how different it is, and there are a lot more differences than similarities. It's no shame for Bmore and DC being compared to one another because they're the Mid-Atlantic's twin cities and each city is inextricably and economically tied to one another whether they like it or not.
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Old 03-30-2021, 12:07 AM
 
Location: BMORE!
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To be fair with the Baltimore posters, I can see a connection between Baltimore and Central PA to a degree, especially York and Harrisburg. They're smaller cities, but there's a connection. The mayor of Harrisburg is a Baltimore native, if that will help warm Bmore's posters hearts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Papenfuse).

As far as the Baltimore-Philadelphia comparisons, it's just not there. Even the last posts of the Susquehanna River emptying into the Chesapeake Bay and the Delaware River emptying into the Delaware Bay, Phila doesn't have an active seafood culinary culture the way Baltimore has it with crabs and Boston has it with lobsters. We never developed such a culture because we're not close enough to a bay or ocean the way Baltimore or Boston is.

Plus Baltimore is a port city while Philadelphia was all about the railroads. Yes, Baltimore had the Baltimore and Ohio, while we had two great railroads (the Pennsylvania and Reading Railroads). The PRR was once the largest corporation in the world and the Reading had it's own greatness. The PRR is so great, the current Northeast Corridor between NYC and DC as well as the strech between Phila and Cleveland uses it's former ROW's. Can't say the same about the B&O except for the stretch between DC and Pittsburgh. MARC doesn't even use the rail stretch between Baltimore and Frederick (which is a shame since the MD gov't should consider reviving that route).

All in all, maybe we should close this thread because we proved everything how Bmore and Phila and how similar it is and how different it is, and there are a lot more differences than similarities. It's no shame for Bmore and DC being compared to one another because they're the Mid-Atlantic's twin cities and each city is inextricably and economically tied to one another whether they like it or not.
Baltimore and DC aren't twin cities, but I agree with most of your post. I do agree that Philly and Baltimore aren't similar.
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Old 03-30-2021, 12:08 AM
 
Location: BMORE!
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Camden
Norfolk
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Old 03-30-2021, 12:12 AM
 
Location: BMORE!
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But there seems to be more than one definition of "Mid-Atlantic."
I'd favor the one that encompasses DC, MD, DE, PA, NJ & NY
(the Northeastern states that aren't part of New England).

But some seem to think "Mid-Atlantic" straddles the Potomac to include VA,
maybe even NC, but excludes PA / NJ / NY.
Mid-atlantic fits the Upper South (DE, MD, DC, VA) better than it does the Northeast outside if New England. That area just seems like The Northeast.
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Old 03-30-2021, 12:17 AM
 
Location: BMORE!
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Maryland is pretty different from Virginia (south of Rappahannock) today.

Yeah, there is some comparison in their cities but the real difference -- and the thing that makes Maryland less southern -- is the lack of a rural countryside.

25 minutes outside of Richmond and you are in the southern country where the most southern accents are heard (more so than Raleigh-Durham in fact). The same is not true of Baltimore, with it's highly urbanized and far reaching suburbs. Only northern Baltimore county is somewhat country, but it is more northern and similar to PA than VA over there, given the short distance to the PA line.

Although I agree Maryland shouldn't be associated with Northeast... more akin to Delaware, Pennsylvania, Northern Virginia and West Virginia.
Maryland has plenty of country side on the Eastern Shore, Southern and Western Maryland.

Northeasternern states have plenty of country side too for that matter.
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