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View Poll Results: Which cities come to mind first as "Costal Elites"
Boston 128 57.66%
New York City 163 73.42%
Philadelphia 31 13.96%
Baltimore 6 2.70%
Washington DC 101 45.50%
Miami 38 17.12%
Seattle 64 28.83%
San Francisco 151 68.02%
San Jose 36 16.22%
Los Angeles 121 54.50%
San Diego 25 11.26%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 222. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-11-2021, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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Philly is less snobby because it’s poorer. Hard to be snobby when you make. $38k/year.

One thing that binds “snobby metros” is they’re all very wealthy. Except LA
Wealth is more relative than is often represented.

On a per capita basis, the Philly metro is definitely wealthier than LA and Miami, and in relative terms, as wealthy as the NYC metro and not terribly far off from Boston, especially when measuring suburban incomes alone.
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Old 03-11-2021, 08:36 PM
 
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Wealth is more relative than is often represented.

On a per capita basis, the Philly metro is definitely wealthier than LA and Miami, and in relative terms, as wealthy as the NYC metro and not terribly far off from Boston, especially when measuring suburban incomes alone.
The difference between 10% and 15% of people being “wealthy” in an area is a pretty massive difference. That’s 50% more.

Plus by any objective measure Massachusetts takes care of its poor/working class much better than PA. Anything from min wage to paid leave to UI Benifits to healthcare etc. so any vibe of Philly being more socially egalitarian is just that, a vibe. Not reality.
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Old 03-11-2021, 08:39 PM
 
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Wealth is more relative than is often represented.

On a per capita basis, the Philly metro is definitely wealthier than LA and Miami, and in relative terms, as wealthy as the NYC metro and not terribly far off from Boston, especially when measuring suburban incomes alone.
Philly is one of the biggest city economies on the planet. At one point it was #9



It's still in the top 20
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Old 03-11-2021, 08:41 PM
 
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The difference between 10% and 15% of people being “wealthy” in an area is a pretty massive difference. That’s 50% more.

Plus by any objective measure Massachusetts takes care of its poor/working class much better than PA. Anything from min wage to paid leave to UI Benifits to healthcare etc. so any vibe of Philly being more socially egalitarian is just that, a vibe. Not reality.
That's true too. The difference between 10% and 15% is not 5%... it's 50%
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Old 03-11-2021, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Boston Metrowest (via the Philly area)
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The difference between 10% and 15% of people being “wealthy” in an area is a pretty massive difference. That’s 50% more.

Plus by any objective measure Massachusetts takes care of its poor/working class much better than PA. Anything from min wage to paid leave to UI Benifits to healthcare etc. so any vibe of Philly being more socially egalitarian is just that, a vibe. Not reality.
Standards of wealth are different for every city/region. We all (should) know that. Housing costs tend to be the biggest reason for that.

You're also incorrect on two points:

1. Pennsylvania actually is one of the most generous welfare states in the nation based on comparative state funding levels:



https://www.urban.org/policy-centers...e-expenditures

2. Massachusetts is found to have a higher measure of poverty than Pennsylvania when utilizing the Supplemental Poverty Measure (SPM), which is widely accepted as the most accurate method of calculation. Again, a higher minimum wage is irrelevant when COL more than offsets higher absolute income:



https://calbudgetcenter.org/resource...-struggle-get/
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Old 03-11-2021, 09:08 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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Philly is one of the biggest city economies on the planet. At one point it was #9



It's still in the top 20
Yep so true.

Outsiders underestimate Philadelphia so much. There is so much wealth in its suburbs. Most people only know it from Center City and South Philadelphia (which is basically a mini Queens).

For example. Vanguard is one of the largest financial institutions in the world, rivaling anything in Manhattan. Few recognize it because it sits in the Philadelphia suburbs and does not have a front row high rise in Center City.

Philadelphia is one of the few cities to have an active operating NASDAQ marketplace live on the floor. Again, few people know this. Philadelphia was one of the original centers of finance in the USA, before NYC and while NYC has taken that crown, the finance industry still is quite strong in the Philadelphia metro.
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Old 03-11-2021, 09:29 PM
 
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Standards of wealth are different for every city/region. We all (should) know that. Housing costs tend to be the biggest reason for that.

You're also incorrect on two points:

1. Pennsylvania actually is one of the most generous welfare states in the nation based on comparative state funding levels:



https://www.urban.org/policy-centers...e-expenditures

2. Massachusetts is found to have a higher measure of poverty than Pennsylvania when utilizing the Supplemental Poverty Measure (SPM), which is widely accepted as the most accurate method of calculation. Again, a higher minimum wage is irrelevant when COL more than offsets higher absolute income:



https://calbudgetcenter.org/resource...-struggle-get/
1) even your own link shows Massachusetts spending nearly 25% more on welfare than PA. There is a reason Massachusetts has an net inflow of low income households despite its COL.

2) SPM is actually not great because it measures costs by % of income. So if you make $15.00 and spend 90% of your money on Food/Rent/Utilities vs make $10 and spend 85% on such. One is impoverished and the other isn’t. However if you make $15 you have the same disposable income.
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Old 03-11-2021, 09:29 PM
 
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Yep so true.

Outsiders underestimate Philadelphia so much. There is so much wealth in its suburbs. Most people only know it from Center City and South Philadelphia (which is basically a mini Queens).

For example. Vanguard is one of the largest financial institutions in the world, rivaling anything in Manhattan. Few recognize it because it sits in the Philadelphia suburbs and does not have a front row high rise in Center City.

Philadelphia is one of the few cities to have an active operating NASDAQ marketplace live on the floor. Again, few people know this. Philadelphia was one of the original centers of finance in the USA, before NYC and while NYC has taken that crown, the finance industry still is quite strong in the Philadelphia metro.
Yea people just don't realize because so many of the powerhouses are in the suburbs. Many people from other parts of the country would hear King of Prussia or Conshohocken, PA and they don't connect that to Philly. It just sounds like some random town.

It's also kind of easy to overlook how close Wilmington is to PA and how much that city is within Philly's sphere of influence. A plurality of major companies in this country are technically Delaware corporations who tend to domicile in Wilmington. This brings with it a slew of well paid financial services and legal work
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Old 03-11-2021, 11:40 PM
 
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#MIT more going on than several medium sized countries........



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B45fwRDPFlg





For some perspective, the new dorm with the headache inducing window pattern is ~30 floors and 365' to the tippity top. MIT has another cluster coming w/ 500' resident tower crown. *not included here: the other cluster, Canbridge Crossing (far east end of Cambridge off the rail yards)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOkeqIcN3ps&t=35s

rising in the only 1000' FAA height zone, unapologetically, so underwhelmingly Boston
--without so much as a hint of transit oriented thoughfulness.

*advisory: morbid sound accompaniment dive-bombing from the 500~900hz band

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Old 03-12-2021, 01:22 AM
 
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I voted LA since the right wingers love saying the Hollywood elites, though elites live anywhere they want.. such as Bill Gates in/near Seattle.
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