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Id argue using the Miami CSA/MSA really doesn't jive with people's image of Miami though... and it's still 12th in High earning MSAs even by that metric. and 8th in terms of coastal cities...seems elite to me.
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Id argue using the Miami CSA/MSA really doesn't jive with people's image of Miami though... and it's still 12th in High earning MSAs even by that metric. and 8th in terms of coastal cities...seems elite to me.
Miami is the catalyst for the South Florida region though. I'm just gonna sit this back here, for "coastal elite" Miami talk:
2017 Per Capita Personal Income, by MSA
1. Bridgeport, CT MSA: $110,104
2. San Jose MSA: $96,623
3. San Francisco MSA: $91,459
4. Boston MSA: $74,024
5. NYC MSA: $71,019
6. DC MSA: $69,581
7. Seattle MSA: $69,214
8. Philadelphia MSA: $61,879
9. Hartford, CT MSA: $61,353
10. Santa Rosa, CA MSA: $60,286
11. Los Angeles MSA: $60,087
12. Baltimore MSA: $59,797
13. Minneapolis MSA: $59,736
14. Denver MSA: $59,660
15. Fayetteville, AR MSA: $59,425
16. Oxnard, CA MSA: $59,178
17. Chicago MSA: $58,315
18. San Diego MSA: $57,913
19. Honolulu MSA: $56,728
20. Madison, WI MSA: $56,289
21. Nashville MSA: $55,944
22. Albany, NY MSA: $55,848
23. Austin MSA: $54,817
24. Omaha MSA: $54,615
25. Portland, ME MSA: $54,603
26. Richmond, VA MSA: $54,597
27. New Haven, CT MSA: $54,543
28. North Port, FL MSA: $54,028
29. Milwaukee MSA: $53,946
30. Pittsburgh MSA: $53,849
31. Sacramento MSA: $53,783
32. Portland MSA: $53,751
33. Worcester, MA MSA: $53,738 34. Miami MSA: $53,732
And this is per capita, so it's meant to even the numbers out. This is why I'd beg to differ that people actually living and breathing there every day would describe their city as "elite". Outside of maybe Star Island and a few beach properties along Biscayne Bay.
They're a still a greater portion of the population than makes up "local" Miami.
2017 Total Personal Income, by MSA
1. NYC MSA: $1,443,163.1 million
2. Los Angeles MSA: $802,394.1 million
3. Chicago MSA: $555,922.4 million
4. DC MSA: $432,558 million
5. San Francisco MSA: $432,359.9 million
6. Dallas MSA: $392,145.5 million
7. Philadelphia MSA: $377,223.1 million
8. Houston MSA: $363,677.1 million
9. Boston MSA: $358,021.1 million 10. Miami MSA: $330,928.7 million
11. Atlanta MSA: $292,220.8 million
12. Seattle MSA: $267,653.5 million
13. Detroit MSA: $219,371.8 million
14. Minneapolis MSA: $215,086.5 million
15. Phoenix MSA: $208,895.9 million
16. San Diego MSA: $193,296.4 million
17. San Jose MSA: $193,098.2 million
18. Riverside, CA MSA: $178,882.6 million
19. Denver MSA: $172,311.4 million
20. Baltimore MSA: $167,920.9 million
2017 Per Capita Personal Income, by MSA
1. Bridgeport, CT MSA: $110,104
2. San Jose MSA: $96,623
3. San Francisco MSA: $91,459
4. Boston MSA: $74,024
5. NYC MSA: $71,019
6. DC MSA: $69,581
7. Seattle MSA: $69,214
8. Philadelphia MSA: $61,879
9. Hartford, CT MSA: $61,353
10. Santa Rosa, CA MSA: $60,286
11. Los Angeles MSA: $60,087
12. Baltimore MSA: $59,797
13. Minneapolis MSA: $59,736
14. Denver MSA: $59,660
15. Fayetteville, AR MSA: $59,425
16. Oxnard, CA MSA: $59,178
17. Chicago MSA: $58,315
18. San Diego MSA: $57,913
19. Honolulu MSA: $56,728
20. Madison, WI MSA: $56,289
21. Nashville MSA: $55,944
22. Albany, NY MSA: $55,848
23. Austin MSA: $54,817
24. Omaha MSA: $54,615
25. Portland, ME MSA: $54,603
26. Richmond, VA MSA: $54,597
27. New Haven, CT MSA: $54,543
28. North Port, FL MSA: $54,028
29. Milwaukee MSA: $53,946
30. Pittsburgh MSA: $53,849
31. Sacramento MSA: $53,783
32. Portland MSA: $53,751
33. Worcester, MA MSA: $53,738 34. Miami MSA: $53,732
MSAs by 6+ Figure Earning Households, 2017
1. New York MSA: 2,786,292 households
2. Los Angeles MSA: 1,50,1291 households
3. Chicago MSA: 1,154,635 households
4. Washington DC MSA: 1,099,082 households
5. San Francisco MSA: 867,579 households
6. Dallas MSA: 819,261 households
7. Boston MSA: 794,490 households
8. Philadelphia MSA: 780,658 households
9. Houston MSA: 730,740 households
10. Atlanta MSA: 635,930 households
11. Seattle MSA: 615,150 households 12. Miami MSA: 521,551 households
13. Minneapolis MSA: 510,348 households
14. Phoenix MSA: 462,503 households
15. Detroit MSA: 462,050 households
16. San Diego MSA: 424,811 households
17. Denver MSA: 410,992 households
18. Baltimore MSA: 407,597 households
19. Riverside, CA MSA: 383,964 households
20. San Jose MSA: 370,742 households
Its should be widely known by now that a major reason why those per capita income lists rank Florida low is because many retirees bank accounts and benefits are not factored into them. That said less than $7000 behind Los Angeles doesn't seem that bad to me, especially considering cost of living..
Per Capita Federal Income Tax Liability 2016:
$13,865 San Jose
$11,426 San Francisco
$9,127 Boston
$8,004 New York
$7,955 Seattle
$7,500 Washington DC
$6,344 Austin
$6,217 Denver
$6,122 Minneapolis
$6,017 Chicago
$5,937 Philadelphia
$5,830 Los Angeles
$5,734 Hartford
$5,485 Dallas
$5,441 Nashville
$5,387 Baltimore
$5,303 Miami
$5,273 Raleigh
$5,207 San Diego
$5,202 Portland
$5,000 Milwaukee
$4,907 St Louis
$4,866 Detroit
$4,805 Charlotte
$4,764 Cincinnati
$4,762 Houston
$4,726 Kansas City
$4,629 Richmond
$4,612 Atlanta
$4,518 Las Vegas
$4,505 Indianapolis
$4,461 Cleveland
$4,380 Columbus
$4,313 Jacksonville
$4,290 Providence
$4,272 Grand Rapids
$4,243 Sacramento
$4,108 Birmingham
$4,092 Tampa
$4,042 Salt Lake City
$4,040 New Orleans
$4,013 Phoenix
$3,952 Louisville
$3,829 Oklahoma City
$3,758 Rochester
$3,750 Buffalo
$3,677 San Antonio
$3,675 Memphis
$3,598 Orlando
$3,403 Virginia Beach
$3,041 Tucson
$2,493 Riverside
And this is per capita, so it's meant to even the numbers out. This is why I'd beg to differ that people actually living and breathing there every day would describe their city as "elite". Outside of maybe Star Island and a few beach properties along Biscayne Bay.
Yea, evens out across all of South Florida (Miami's MSA). I don't conflate SoFlo and Miami, personally, Miami itself seems like a sexy rich international playground. Poor people in the background.
I would say the Miami area is definitely in the "Coastal Elite" list, especially these days. It's the Alpha city in the 3rd most populous and the 2nd fastest growing state in the entire U.S. It's one of the only a couple large tropical beach urban areas in the entire first world. (Singapore, Honolulu Where else?) It gets more international visitors than Los Angeles and is second behind NYC in that regard. The nightlife is world renowned and puts most of the cities on this list to shame. It uses its actual coastline faaar better than any city in the U.S. It has the highest foreign born rate out of any large city in the entire world. I can go on and on.. Add in the extreme wealth of certain areas and the glitz and glamour that South Florida is known for and it's not really even a question for me. Just by how unique it is to the U.S., and to the world for that matter I believe it belongs on the list. There's a good reason why NYC the greatest city of our time picked Miami and only Miami to have a special connection with.
I'm sure you've all heard the news about how South Florida and Florida in general has been doing great since the pandemic. The Miami area should definitely be in the conversation these days..
San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Boston, Miami, New York City, Jacksonville FL, Tampa/St.Petersburg all have sections of their city that touch open ocean. The Sound is an enclosed body of water very similar to a large lake with a mouth that feeds into a channel which feeds into the ocean but that happens far away from Seattle. Seattle sits a good 130 or more air miles away from the actual Pacific Ocean.
in Geographic terms (not functional terms such as port / harbor and shipping operations, just strictly geographical) Seattle would have more in common with Chicago in terms of water bodies than an actual coastal city
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Yea, evens out across all of South Florida (Miami's MSA). I don't conflate SoFlo and Miami, personally, Miami itself seems like a sexy rich international playground. Poor people in the background.
More than one way to be elite.
Ok we'll do this by city then:
50 Largest US Cities by Median Household Income, 2019
$123,859 San Francisco, CA
$115,893 San Jose, CA
$102,486 Seattle, WA
$92,266 Washington, DC
$85,507 San Diego, CA
$82,018 Oakland, CA
$79,054 Virginia Beach, VA
$79,018 Boston, MA
$76,231 Portland, OR
$75,646 Denver, CO
$75,413 Austin, TX
$70,527 Colorado Springs, CO
$69,833 Raleigh, NC
$69,407 New York, NY
$69,134 Sacramento, CA
$67,804 Long Beach, CA
$67,418 Los Angeles, CA
$66,657 Atlanta, GA
$65,889 Minneapolis, MN
$65,356 Fort Worth, TX
$63,836 Mesa, AZ
$63,483 Charlotte, NC
$63,462 Nashville, TN
$61,811 Chicago, IL
$61,716 Arlington, TX
$61,305 Omaha, NE
$60,931 Phoenix, AZ
$58,713 Las Vegas, NV
$57,118 Columbus, OH
$57,709 Tampa, FL
$56,957 Jacksonville, FL
$55,567 Albuquerque, NM
$55,492 Oklahoma City, OK
$55,332 Dallas, TX
$55,259 Kansas City, MO
$54,853 Louisville, KY
$53,751 San Antonio, TX
$53,161 Fresno, CA
$52,450 Houston, TX
$50,177 Baltimore, MD
$49,661 Indianapolis, IN
$49,158 Tulsa, OK
$48,542 El Paso, TX
$47,474 Philadelphia, PA
$45,615 New Orleans, LA
$44,365 Tucson, AZ
$44,192 Milwaukee, WI
$43,794 Memphis, TN $42,966 Miami, FL
$33,965 Detroit, MI
On the flip side (not just by city proper) but the South Florida region is 4th in Billionaires in the US:
2020 Billionaires by Metro Region(CSA or uncombined MSA)
134 New York
95 San Francisco
62 Los Angeles 40 Miami
23 Dallas
18 Boston
16 Chicago
15 Houston
15 Washington
12 Atlanta
12 Toronto
11 Mexico City
11 Montreal
11 Seattle
10 Phoenix
8 Austin
8 Las Vegas
7 Denver
7 Philadelphia
7 Tampa
6 Detroit
5 Jackson(WY)
5 San Diego
5 Vancouver
4 Bentonville(AR)
4 Nashville
4 Oklahoma City
4 Raleigh
4 Salt Lake City
3 Cleveland
3 Milwaukee
3 Omaha
3 Portland
3 Reno
3 San Antonio
So yes the gap is wide between rich and poor there.
When I hear the phrase "coastal elites" it brings to mind not necessarily wealthy but a certain subculture which seems to emanate from Manhattan. In fact I would even pinpoint Columbia University as the epicenter. Not that they're all directly affiliated, but that's definitely the one place the culture spreads out from.
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Yes...the figures provided are “reported income”....Miami’s wealth is underreported given its retiree, foreign and greater dependence upon small business than corporate jobs—the latter representing quite a few small business owners who employ 53.3% of the Miami labor force and often report less than they actually earn. It’s a hard city to figure out based on “reported income”; less so if you observe the wealth (homes, yachts) while driving 100 miles up the coast from Pinecrest to Jupiter—it’s almost a tale of two areas, haves (coastal properties along the beach and Biscayne Bay/inlets) and have nots (inland, with a few notable exceptions such as Davie, Parkland, etc).
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Its should be widely known by now that a major reason why those per capita income lists rank Florida low is because many retirees bank accounts and benefits are not factored into them. That said less than $7000 behind Los Angeles doesn't seem that bad to me, especially considering cost of living..
Per Capita Federal Income Tax Liability 2016:
$13,865 San Jose
$11,426 San Francisco
$9,127 Boston
$8,004 New York
$7,955 Seattle
$7,500 Washington DC
$6,344 Austin
$6,217 Denver
$6,122 Minneapolis
$6,017 Chicago
$5,937 Philadelphia
$5,830 Los Angeles
$5,734 Hartford
$5,485 Dallas
$5,441 Nashville
$5,387 Baltimore
$5,303 Miami
$5,273 Raleigh
$5,207 San Diego
$5,202 Portland
$5,000 Milwaukee
$4,907 St Louis
$4,866 Detroit
$4,805 Charlotte
$4,764 Cincinnati
$4,762 Houston
$4,726 Kansas City
$4,629 Richmond
$4,612 Atlanta
$4,518 Las Vegas
$4,505 Indianapolis
$4,461 Cleveland
$4,380 Columbus
$4,313 Jacksonville
$4,290 Providence
$4,272 Grand Rapids
$4,243 Sacramento
$4,108 Birmingham
$4,092 Tampa
$4,042 Salt Lake City
$4,040 New Orleans
$4,013 Phoenix
$3,952 Louisville
$3,829 Oklahoma City
$3,758 Rochester
$3,750 Buffalo
$3,677 San Antonio
$3,675 Memphis
$3,598 Orlando
$3,403 Virginia Beach
$3,041 Tucson
$2,493 Riverside
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