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It takes quite an effort for a vacationer on South Beach, many who don’t need or bother to rent a car, to leave the island and plan a trip to Design District let alone Shops at Merrick Park or Sawgrass Mills....Lincoln Road Mall, on the island, does not have many of the high end stores noted in the malls I mentioned (and others not mentioned).
Well on vacay (while staying on Miami Beach), I specifically have gone up to Bal Harbour, not that far I know, Bayside in downtown, and went to Aventura one time, and then went back to my hotel after each. This is on well over double digit trips to Miami however. I've been out to Sawgrass a couple times, but those times I was actually staying in Broward and was the big mall of choice. No I would not expect the average traveler to leave South Beach to drive all the way out there.
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By definition the elite are elite.
Even cities leading this poll like Boston and NYC have a median household income of just 75k. Nothing elite about the general (especially not local) populace of any of these cities. This is where DC is notable its a city that to me-feels much more in the middle in terms of QOL COL than other cities. A lot of it just feels nice in a more uniform way. High floor, low ceiling. Thats sort of part of DC's 'eliteness' but less so almost any other city IMO I expect regular people to be more or less struggling.
Miami is elite for ultra-wealthy, vacationers, celebrities, etc. That's what matters to most folks in the case of Miami.
Ok let me ask you a question then...Is Miami more "elite" than Boston?
It does all of those things in bold 10x greater than Boston does...
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You are the exception as you’ve admittedly made double digit trips to the area which is more than the average tourist. Not certain if a person on their first or even third trip to Miami would hit (more than) one of these spots (I will rule out Bayside, as it’s more of a kitschy/t shirt destination rather than high end mall). A similarly frequent/ annual but extended stay visitor might hit these “off SoBe” establishments, but I think they are the minority, not the norm. I am not including part time residents as tourists, either; they are definitely more likely to frequent these high end retail outlets and are more likely to own a car here and drive there.
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Well on vacay (while staying on Miami Beach), I specifically have gone up to Bal Harbour, not that far I know, Bayside in downtown, and went to Aventura one time, and then went back to my hotel after each. This is on well over double digit trips to Miami however. I've been out to Sawgrass a couple times, but those times I was actually staying in Broward and was the big mall of choice. No I would not expect the average traveler to leave South Beach to drive all the way out there.
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Ok let me ask you a question then...Is Miami more "elite" than Boston?
It does all of those things in bold 10x greater than Boston does...
No IMO it’s not, but it’s different. It’s a different type of elite. Someone outlined some different types of elite on page 1 of this thread. You can’t judge all these cities on the same metric.
NYC
That's how I voted. I'm perhaps interpreting this a bit differently and not answering this based on any type of perceived wealth (and certainly not the number of billionaires), but a combination of:
- Educational attainment
- Liberal voting history with a reputation as being progressive
- Nimby-ism (don't ask why, but I just associate it)
- Large presence of a knowledge economy (higher ed, tech, law, finance, etc.)
- Mocked / stereotyped by Middle 'Murica
Interestingly, the Philadelphia area really does tick all of those boxes (it actually matched metro NYC in 2020 in terms of Democratic voting results) and I've seen employment numbers in that put Philadelphia ahead of NYC in terms of its regional "knowledge economy" employment (per capita, of course). Philadelphia is also routinely despised by right-wingers.
I get that New York is "coastal elite" by default for being the nation's de facto center of wealth (and wealth-making, for that matter) and superlative institutions, but I think folks forget that it still a city/region with a lot of "blue collar" left in it than it gets credit for.
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