What State does the beach the best on the East Coast?? (Florida, comparison)
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It was also my understanding that majority (if not most) rail lines operate at a loss and with plenty of government subsidies. But I was going to let that post ride, haha.
Yeah most routes profitable or not run with state or the more common, federal funding and subsidies to keep going. Amtrak especially has this issue. I think more than half of their routes are red ink.
But yeah, I guess my previous post was on the attack there. Must've been hangry from lunch.. or internally angry I didn't get Tuesday off to spend another day in the great city of Chicago. One of those...
1) rail lines don't exist to serve leisure purposes.
2) there are plenty, pleennntyyy of rail lines that have limited ridership and do not make profits by any margins. Including RR, RUR, CR and even LR in America. It is Not Safe to assume transit routes make money or have high demand.
3) The line could exist for gambling tourists, philly commuters. There's many beachside train lines that don't serve purely, beach tourists...
I'm not sure how you understand how trains work. Trains can serve purposes like Commuting and Weekend Trips. For example, the blue line in Boston serves 3 stops at Revere Beach.. and is a very popular route to go to he beach to. However the vast majority of people who use this line take it to commute to the airport or downtown. The rail line exists to serve commuters first, residents second, leisure third. No line in this country exists purely for leisure. Same with the lines to Coney. Vat majority of riders... Are commuters.
Don't try to smart someone out who works in Urban/Transportation Planning now and keep the attitude to yourself. Because what you said makes 0 sense.
Atlantic City has certainly seen its ups and downs. That rail line historically though was to take Philadelphians to Atlantic City which was the largest beach resort to serve Philadelphians specifically.
It is still very very popular today in the summer season for people looking to take a $10 ride to the Jersey shore in about 60 minutes for a nice beach trip for the day.
It is very crowded and popular and actually a little unknown by many it exists or how easy and inexpensive it is. (you can blame that on NJ tourism agency).
Atlantic City still has some challenges, but its actual beaches actually have been cleaned up and are much nicer than they use to be and are very pleasant and nice, with great clean sand and an interesting boardwalk.
AC is basically Philadelphia's Coney Island (from Penn station to Coney Island and Center City Philadelphia to AC its the same transit time length), although the AC beaches in my opinion are nicer than Coney Island. Much larger with nicer sand and water.
Last edited by rowhomecity; 03-12-2021 at 02:11 AM..
I used to have a girlfriend with a place on the beach in Brigantine just north of Atlantic City. I took the train from Philly a few times when I was there on business without a car. It’s really painless. The beach isn’t just Atlantic City.
1) rail lines don't exist to serve leisure purposes.
2) there are plenty, pleennntyyy of rail lines that have limited ridership and do not make profits by any margins. Including RR, RUR, CR and even LR in America. It is Not Safe to assume transit routes make money or have high demand.
3) The line could exist for gambling tourists, philly commuters. There's many beachside train lines that don't serve purely, beach tourists...
I'm not sure how you understand how trains work. Trains can serve purposes like Commuting and Weekend Trips. For example, the blue line in Boston serves 3 stops at Revere Beach.. and is a very popular route to go to he beach to. However the vast majority of people who use this line take it to commute to the airport or downtown. The rail line exists to serve commuters first, residents second, leisure third. No line in this country exists purely for leisure. Same with the lines to Coney. Vat majority of riders... Are commuters.
Don't try to smart someone out who works in Urban/Transportation Planning now and keep the attitude to yourself. Because what you said makes 0 sense.
Ooooooook.....
As MarketStEl said, trains most definitely can and do fill leisure purposes as well. Nobody is saying that these train lines exist only for the purpose of leisure though...
That train line was built long before the first casino opened up in AC though. It definitely is used by gamblers but it wasn’t built just for them either. And I’m not stating that everyone going to AC is going to the beach, but I can tell you that those people do exist, and you’ll notice that train line get much more crowded in the Summer than winter/off-season.
Hope you can make it to Chicago soon....
Last edited by That_One_Guy; 03-13-2021 at 03:02 PM..
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Florida, distantly followed by NC (totally different vibe though), although SC has some nice beaches as well (Kiawah Island, Edisto Island, Myrtle Beach if not overrun by tourists LOL, and Hilton Head Island has a unique vibe).
As MarketStEl said, trains most definitely can and do fill leisure purposes as well. Nobody is saying that these train lines exist only for the purpose of leisure though...
I'm actually kind of surprised that the poster is claiming trains in the U.S. can't/don't exist for leisure purposes. massachoisetts' username is named after a state that has "The Cape Flyer" and the "Ski Train." Even the Amtrak Downeaster markets itself as primarily a leisure/tourist train (and that's certainly how it functions).
I'm actually kind of surprised that the poster is claiming trains in the U.S. can't/don't exist for leisure purposes. massachoisetts' username is named after a state that has "The Cape Flyer" and the "Ski Train." Even the Amtrak Downeaster markets itself as primarily a leisure/tourist train (and that's certainly how it functions).
Those, none of those, are regularly services train routes. Those are weekend only seasonal transportation services on limited frequency, built on existing track. I'm not sure if you are aware but Cape Flyer is like Saturday only weekend, once a day.
ACY line is 10x+ a day and offers regular services. So yes, regular service train routes absolutely do not exist for pure leisure purposes. The track was literally built for that specific train route... the ACY line has a Huge commuter base with many stops between ACY and PHL. That line does not exist for pure leisure at all. That's silly to assume PATCO would pay all those millions for an ontime electrified train line with just 1500 leisure passengers a day. The line extends to ACY, but the line picks up most of it's passengers in Pennsauken, Cherry Hill, Lindenwold, Atco and Egg Harbor. Very miniscule, small amount of passengers are ACY tourists..
Your taking one single statement I made and spiraling it out of control and comparing apples to oranges.
Those, none of those, are regularly services train routes. Those are weekend only seasonal transportation services on limited frequency, built on existing track. I'm not sure if you are aware but Cape Flyer is like Saturday only weekend, once a day.
The Downeaster is multiple daily/year-round regularly scheduled train service by any and all definitions. Cape Flyer is seasonal, but runs Friday/Saturday/Sunday to cater specifically to the leisure crowd. No, it's not frequent service, but it's regularly scheduled service solely for leisure.
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ACY line is 10x+ a day and offers regular services. So yes, regular service train routes absolutely do not exist for pure leisure purposes. The track was literally built for that specific train route... the ACY line has a Huge commuter base with many stops between ACY and PHL. That line does not exist for pure leisure at all. That's silly to assume PATCO would pay all those millions for an ontime electrified train line with just 1500 leisure passengers a day. The line extends to ACY, but the line picks up most of it's passengers in Pennsauken, Cherry Hill, Lindenwold, Atco and Egg Harbor. Very miniscule, small amount of passengers are ACY tourists..
Your taking one single statement I made and spiraling it out of control and comparing apples to oranges.
No, That particular regular scheduled train route is not solely for leisure riders. I'm not arguing about the ACY line. But rail routes that serve leisure travelers very much do exist, especially outside of the U.S. (they're all over Japan).
@Rowhomecity, since Florida is such a runaway winner, you should make a new poll EXCLUDING Florida.
Yes, good idea.. I will, it will make for a bit of a more interesting comparison.
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