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View Poll Results: Pick the winner (Yes, its' hard)
Chicago's North Side/Lakeshore out to its boutique suburbs 70 72.16%
Boston's metro zone to Marblehead/Gloucester/Rockport 27 27.84%
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Old 05-10-2021, 11:32 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Downtown Framingham nice?

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3011...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2990...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3004...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2774...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2793...7i16384!8i8192

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2754...7i13312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2769...7i16384!8i8192

This is the credibility issue...people in MA will say anything in MA is nice so long as its not boarded up and cost a lot of mony. Makes no real life practical sense.
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Old 05-10-2021, 11:37 AM
 
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Downtown Framingham nice?

This is the credibility issue...people in MA will say anything in MA is nice so long as its not boarded up and cost a lot of mony. Makes no real life practical sense.
Lots of potential. Imagine electrified rail service on the Boston-Worcester run: Downtown Framingham would be popping; all those lovely parking lots could be developed.
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Old 05-10-2021, 11:40 AM
 
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Lots of potential. Imagine electrified rail service on the Boston-Worcester run: Downtown Framingham would be popping; all those lovely parking lots could be developed.
of course...the classic answer

None of the downtown mentioned is nice...or worth anyone's time. Certainly not at 900k for a basic home.
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Old 05-10-2021, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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Lots of potential. Imagine electrified rail service on the Boston-Worcester run: Downtown Framingham would be popping; all those lovely parking lots could be developed.
Yeah but is it here, now? Why would you pay that much money to live in a town.. that hasn't fully developed yet.

Like you can pay 1/2 as much in a SFH and be walking distance to:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6076...7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6100...7i16384!8i8192
(All about the same level of desirability of Natick..)

Tying back to Chicago, just scroll through Zillow and see the cost to own of some of these homes. Its easily 1/2-2/3 as much as their MA counterparts and the towns are absolutely stunning

Anf these are Chicago's Northern Side Downtowns:
https://www.google.com/search?q=nort...h=805&biw=1283
https://www.google.com/search?q=high...h=805&biw=1283
https://www.google.com/search?q=high...h=805&biw=1283
https://www.google.com/search?q=lake...h=805&biw=1283

these all blow away any of Boston's MW.. and I only did like 4.
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Old 05-10-2021, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Yeah but is it here, now? Why would you pay that much money to live in a town.. that hasn't fully developed yet.

Like you can pay 1/2 as much in a SFH and be walking distance to:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6076...7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6100...7i16384!8i8192
(All about the same level of desirability of Natick..)

Tying back to Chicago, just scroll through Zillow and see the cost to own of some of these homes. Its easily 1/2-2/3 as much as their MA counterparts.

Anf these are Chicago's Northern Side Downtowns:
https://www.google.com/search?q=nort...h=805&biw=1283
https://www.google.com/search?q=high...h=805&biw=1283

https://www.google.com/search?q=high...h=805&biw=1283
Yes, I'm taking Rahway NJ over Natick each and every day of the week as a stand-alone town. More walkable, 10x more diverse, way wayy more affordable, more evenly developed. The schools are weaker but I think they're serviceable enough to get a good education with involved parents. You have to live in MA and maybe nowhere else to think a place like Natick is even remotely special or endearing.
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Old 05-10-2021, 12:16 PM
 
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of course...the classic answer

None of the downtown mentioned is nice...or worth anyone's time. Certainly not at 900k for a basic home.
Not nice exactly but walkable, has a Brazilian flavor, a brewery... It can take some time to reverse Framingham's 75 year history of neglecting downtown in favor of Route 9 developments but seems they're moving in that direction.

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Yeah but is it here, now? Why would you pay that much money to live in a town.. that hasn't fully developed yet.

Like you can pay 1/2 as much in a SFH and be walking distance to:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6076...7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6100...7i16384!8i8192
(All about the same level of desirability of Natick..)these all blow away any of Boston's MW.. and I only did like 4.
Yes, but then you'd be living in New Jersey. Not helpful if you're in the Boston area. The Rahway new urbanism in the first image looks good but this is the most urban corridor in NJ, between Newark and New Brunswick along the turnpike through Elizabethport, Linden, Edison... Packed with houses, industrial parks, highways, railroads, tank farms, refineries. You can compare anything to anything I guess but your typical rising young executive would find Natick, with its natural landscapes, old-fashioned business blocks downtown and proximity to beautiful country-like areas north and south a lot more attractive than Rahway.

Anyway, no state, Illinois included, can touch New Jersey for walkable town centers connected with good rail transit. It's loaded with them.
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Old 05-10-2021, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Not nice exactly but walkable, has a Brazilian flavor, a brewery... It can take some time to reverse Framingham's 75 year history of neglecting downtown in favor of Route 9 developments but seems they're moving in that direction.



Yes, but then you'd be living in New Jersey. Not helpful if you're in the Boston area. The Rahway new urbanism in the first image looks good but this is the most urban corridor in NJ, between Newark and New Brunswick along the turnpike through Elizabethport, Linden, Edison... Packed with houses, industrial parks, highways, railroads, tank farms, refineries. You can compare anything to anything I guess but your typical rising young executive would find Natick, with its natural landscapes, old-fashioned business blocks downtown and proximity to beautiful country-like areas north and south a lot more attractive than Rahway.

Anyway, no state, Illinois included, can touch New Jersey for walkable town centers connected with good rail transit. It's loaded with them.
As Ive said I make an exception for Framingham I've never thought of downtown as "nice" but it's decent. But it also considered a less desirable city. If not the least desirable in the whole MetroWest, which is ironic. I like Framingham for its socioeconomic diveristy-genuine social and economic diversity, decent access to nature, decent commute, and fairly reasonable home prices. More of MetroWest should aspire to Framingham..or at least Waltham. Just maintain your downtown while at it.

Rahway and the like aren't the prettiest but I dont think a young rising executive care a ton about natural landscapes and country areas. That runs contrary to everything we see today.

I don't really find places like Rahway or Linden to be too different than places like Malden or Medford really. Just a little more industrial which makes sense given NYC is right there. Still more accessible and offering a decent middle-class QOL to many people than to Natick. But this is pretty subjective now. There many fairly urbanized strips in that north jersey area. I cant confirm or deny that little section is the "most urbanized" the connectivity of the street grid you alluded to and transit in NJ makes it enviable to me.
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Old 05-10-2021, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Medfid
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...That's not downtown Framingham?

These ones are, and I'd call them nice. My folks lived just a little off Union Ave for a few years, so I know the area well enough.

This one's close enough. I imagine you'll see apartments on this lot eventually.

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Yeah but is it here, now? Why would you pay that much money to live in a town.. that hasn't fully developed yet.

Like you can pay 1/2 as much in a SFH and be walking distance to:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6076...7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6100...7i16384!8i8192
(All about the same level of desirability of Natick..)
Looks a lot more like Quincy or Malden than Natick?
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Old 01-31-2023, 05:47 PM
 
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MA wealth burbs have big issues with arrogance, classism, elitism, and preservation of wealth unlike no other
they will never atone (for their sinful ways)/ re; nothing is coming
next-week-cities-towns-have-start-filing-housing-plans-with-state-whats-coming/
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/01/...-whats-coming/

they won't be forced to atone (for their sinful ways)
business/state-soften-budget-cuts-towns-that-dont-comply-with-new-mbta-housing-law/
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/12/...a-housing-law/

they must will atone (for their sinful ways)
opinion/towns-flouting-housing-rule-face-weight-state-federal-law/
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/12/...e-federal-law/
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Old 02-02-2023, 12:13 PM
 
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To be fair, this is the center of Concord. And this. From here you can walk to the railroad station, North Bridge, Battle Road trail, Walden Pond, Estabrook Woods, Great Meadows national wildlife refuge. It's a beautiful place for old Yankees like me.
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