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Extrapolating future growth for both metros based on their 2010 - 2019 average yearly growth rate, this is when they will reach 10 million:
Dallas-Forth Worth = 2038 Greater Houston = 2043
And frankly, I'm probably being a bit too kind with Greater Houston's future growth rate by using an average over such a huge period of time.
Oil being over $100/barrel in the early/mid 2010s likely isn't going to be repeated, given how much the industry and geopolitical environment has changed since then.
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Matter of time before Houston is the #3 city in the US, if it's not already there. Heck, watch out LA. Galveston is a stone's throw away from Houston and there's a lot of gorgeous undeveloped beach front for the taking.
Don't write off the older Sunbelt boom towns as "old South" yet!
Houston is likely the first Southern city to attain Megacity status (10 million+ metro pop). Unlike Atlanta, DFW, and (perpetual laggard) Miami, Houston has been able to leverage its global oil industry contacts. It has attracted immigration and business while DFW and Atlanta have depended on domestic corporate relocations.
It's surprising that Houston is 7 million (and growing!) despite a push for decarbonization. Plenty of new(er) houses with 4-plug (not 3-plug) 220 V outlets and other updated code requirements compared to the predominantly older housing stock on the coasts and in the North. Also Houston built 4 mid-rise skyscrapers in Downtown during the 2010s, despite office buildings being unpopular nationally. So what is this about Houston having their New South moment already?
DFW will likely reach that status before Houston. It will pass 8 million in the MSA sometime in the next five years if the growth continues. Houston won't reach that number until 2029 or sometime in the early 30s. DFW also has a more diverse economy than Houston. Houston economy is diversifying but it simply is still centered around energy.
Apparently C-Ders haven't been keeping up. Houston has a hard time shaking-off old stereotypes despite reality proving them to be untrue or dated.
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DFW will likely reach that status before Houston. It will pass 8 million in the MSA sometime in the next five years if the growth continues. Houston won't reach that number until 2029 or sometime in the early 30s. DFW also has a more diverse economy than Houston. Houston economy is diversifying but it simply is still centered around energy.
Specialization provides a steady base to build business and has paid off for Houston. Like Finance in NYC, Entertainment in L.A., or Energy in Houston.
Ever heard of Tramontina or Chantal? Both are Houston based companies and are upscale consumer cookware brands that can be found in Costco or TJMaxx/Marshalls/Homegoods. Tramontina is a Brazilian company with the U.S. headquarters in Houston. Chantal was founded by a German mechanical engineer who couldn't find a company willing to hire her 50 years ago. (Perfect examples of Houston's global contacts diversifying the local economy when they enter the U.S. market.)
Everybody thinks Houston is all oil, but there are other companies based here.
Mattress Firm did buy out Mattress Giant several years ago and closed the Dallas HQ (still butthurt?) and offered some to relocate to Houston. How about Men's Warehouse, a colorful local institution that became national?
Suddenly everybody conveniently forgets about the aerospace industry centered around NASA and the medical industry in the Medical Center. There has been extensive research on coronaviruses in the Texas Medical Center since the SARS outbreak in 2003.
Baylor has been working on a recombinant protein vaccine candidate for SARS viruses since the original outbreak in 2003 and has since modified its vaccine to be effective against the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19 disease. The partnership will allow for the development of a low-cost version of this vaccine that can be scaled to 1 billion doses for worldwide distribution.
Surprisingly the majority of the population growth in Houston has been coming from immigrants unlike most other U.S. cities, despite the xenophobic and nativist Trump episode. The demographics also skew younger in Houston.
Definitely a place for fresh ideas! Meanwhile Dallas and Atlanta can keep playing the corporate relocation game to attract mature companies with staid ideas beginning to wilt. I guess Houston has learned to catch fish while Dallas and Atlanta are content on being given fish. Eventually companies will end up here to figure out how not to go extinct.
Atlanta is the obvious choice, as it is very large, growing fast, rich my median income, and high-tech. It is also traditionally the 'capital of the south'.
Apparently C-Ders haven't been keeping up. Houston has a hard time shaking-off old stereotypes despite reality proving them to be untrue or dated.
Specialization provides a steady base to build business and has paid off for Houston. Like Finance in NYC, Entertainment in L.A., or Energy in Houston.
Ever heard of Tramontina or Chantal? Both are Houston based companies and are upscale consumer cookware brands that can be found in Costco or TJMaxx/Marshalls/Homegoods. Tramontina is a Brazilian company with the U.S. headquarters in Houston. Chantal was founded by a German mechanical engineer who couldn't find a company willing to hire her 50 years ago. (Perfect examples of Houston's global contacts diversifying the local economy when they enter the U.S. market.)
Everybody thinks Houston is all oil, but there are other companies based here.
Mattress Firm did buy out Mattress Giant several years ago and closed the Dallas HQ (still butthurt?) and offered some to relocate to Houston. How about Men's Warehouse, a colorful local institution that became national?
Suddenly everybody conveniently forgets about the aerospace industry centered around NASA and the medical industry in the Medical Center. There has been extensive research on coronaviruses in the Texas Medical Center since the SARS outbreak in 2003.
Surprisingly the majority of the population growth in Houston has been coming from immigrants unlike most other U.S. cities, despite the xenophobic and nativist Trump episode. The demographics also skew younger in Houston.
Definitely a place for fresh ideas! Meanwhile Dallas and Atlanta can keep playing the corporate relocation game to attract mature companies with staid ideas beginning to wilt. I guess Houston has learned to catch fish while Dallas and Atlanta are content on being given fish. Eventually companies will end up here to figure out how not to go extinct.
You always give a interesting post. I am not sure if you are trying to say Houston should be the vote-getter for King metro of the "New South" or not? I did not read post demeaning Houston? Could be earlier in the thread. There are small companies with headquarters all over cities in this country. Their wares on in retail stores to online.... yet products made in China. Does anyone care where a Mattress Man, Giant or Firm is or was Headquartered or a TJ Max? That is not what makes a Metro a King. This is not a DFW vs Houston thread either for who has the most HQ's of small corporations we may know at the mall or Cosco....
Sure Houston has a large Medical Complex. It is a good point in diversity. NASA is not quite the Big Fish it was.... I mean the 1960s it was a National Pride thing. Now we have Elon Mush choosing Texas... not exactly the Houston Metro though. He is working with NASA though that still has the NASA Control Center. Still but for Musk.... NASA uses Florida for its Pride launches that we view. and even Cali for Control too.
Texas has 2 very large Metros and couple others playing catch-up. If anything... the reason no Texas city will win here is more then one and that Texas is far more getting seen as its OWN REGION.. a State that still could be the first with a vote on the ballot for succession. It I read just maybe on a ballot coming up sponsored by your Gov and others..... it was before the Big Freeze power-grid boondoggle. Still there is a reason Texas wanted most of the state with its own separate Power-grid.
Most will see the True South... the Classic South .... the Deep South, as Louisiana Eastward. It certainly IMO is not that Houston could not work.... just it is in Texas..... a whole 'nother country.
Basically, though Richman was the Capitol of the Old South.... Atlanta was still though a small city in the Civil War era.. it was a key city still of the True Deep South.
The Fact Richman is a smaller city today and Atlanta as a large metro.... surely gives it the bragging rights now. Old to New South still holds true. Texas is part of the Club but more like New Money vs Old..... One city is just part of the Legacy that has not ended.
Apparently C-Ders haven't been keeping up. Houston has a hard time shaking-off old stereotypes despite reality proving them to be untrue or dated.
Specialization provides a steady base to build business and has paid off for Houston. Like Finance in NYC, Entertainment in L.A., or Energy in Houston.
Ever heard of Tramontina or Chantal? Both are Houston based companies and are upscale consumer cookware brands that can be found in Costco or TJMaxx/Marshalls/Homegoods. Tramontina is a Brazilian company with the U.S. headquarters in Houston. Chantal was founded by a German mechanical engineer who couldn't find a company willing to hire her 50 years ago. (Perfect examples of Houston's global contacts diversifying the local economy when they enter the U.S. market.)
Everybody thinks Houston is all oil, but there are other companies based here.
Mattress Firm did buy out Mattress Giant several years ago and closed the Dallas HQ (still butthurt?) and offered some to relocate to Houston. How about Men's Warehouse, a colorful local institution that became national?
Suddenly everybody conveniently forgets about the aerospace industry centered around NASA and the medical industry in the Medical Center. There has been extensive research on coronaviruses in the Texas Medical Center since the SARS outbreak in 2003.
Surprisingly the majority of the population growth in Houston has been coming from immigrants unlike most other U.S. cities, despite the xenophobic and nativist Trump episode. The demographics also skew younger in Houston.
Definitely a place for fresh ideas! Meanwhile Dallas and Atlanta can keep playing the corporate relocation game to attract mature companies with staid ideas beginning to wilt. I guess Houston has learned to catch fish while Dallas and Atlanta are content on being given fish. Eventually companies will end up here to figure out how not to go extinct.
This is hyper (passive and not so passive) aggressive for no reason.
As for the fish "analogy," it's silly. All 3 are comparable, large and fast growing metros.
You always give a interesting post. I am not sure if you are trying to say Houston should be the vote-getter for King metro of the "New South" or not? I did not read post demeaning Houston? Could be earlier in the thread. There are small companies with headquarters all over cities in this country. Their wares on in retail stores to online.... yet products made in China. Does anyone care where a Mattress Man, Giant or Firm is or was Headquartered or a TJ Max? That is not what makes a Metro a King. This is not a DFW vs Houston thread either for who has the most HQ's of small corporations we may know at the mall or Cosco....
Sure Houston has a large Medical Complex. It is a good point in diversity. NASA is not quite the Big Fish it was.... I mean the 1960s it was a National Pride thing. Now we have Elon Mush choosing Texas... not exactly the Houston Metro though. He is working with NASA though that still has the NASA Control Center. Still but for Musk.... NASA uses Florida for its Pride launches that we view. and even Cali for Control too.
Texas has 2 very large Metros and couple others playing catch-up. If anything... the reason no Texas city will win here is more then one and that Texas is far more getting seen as its OWN REGION.. a State that still could be the first with a vote on the ballot for succession. It I read just maybe on a ballot coming up sponsored by your Gov and others..... it was before the Big Freeze power-grid boondoggle. Still there is a reason Texas wanted most of the state with its own separate Power-grid.
Most will see the True South... the Classic South .... the Deep South, as Louisiana Eastward. It certainly IMO is not that Houston could not work.... just it is in Texas..... a whole 'nother country.
Basically, though Richman was the Capitol of the Old South.... Atlanta was still though a small city in the Civil War era.. it was a key city still of the True Deep South.
The Fact Richman is a smaller city today and Atlanta as a large metro.... surely gives it the bragging rights now. Old to New South still holds true. Texas is part of the Club but more like New Money vs Old..... One city is just part of the Legacy that has not ended.
I'll always see TX as the south.
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