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View Poll Results: Vote for your favorite Springfield Metropolitan Statistical Area
Springfield, MA (MSA) 20 54.05%
Springfield, MO (MSA) 11 29.73%
Springfield, IL (MSA) 6 16.22%
Voters: 37. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-02-2021, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Bergen County, New Jersey
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I never thought Springfield MA would win something.

But here we are. However, Springfield MA isn't all that bad:

Pretty Busy Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1025...7i16384!8i8192
Nice Core/MGM Casino: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0998...7i16384!8i8192
Boston Style Brownstones: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1051...7i16384!8i8192

However, what wins it is the scenery/towns near it:
Northampton: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3183...7i16384!8i8192
Up in Greenfield MA:https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5980...7i16384!8i8192
The Berks: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2422...!7i7680!8i3840
The Berks, about 35-40 mins away: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6441...!7i8704!8i4352
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Old 07-02-2021, 10:04 PM
 
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I have only been to the one in Missouri and the one in Illinois. Between the two of them, MO beats IL hands down. It is a much more attractive city with a much more attractive surrounding area. The Ozarks are way more attractive than the countryside around Springfield, IL. The only thing IL has on MO is that it's closer to Chicago and St. Louis
For the two that I've been to:

Scenery/Outdoor Recreation: Missouri by a large margin.
Culture: Don't know about this one. probably a wash. IL might have a small edge.
Education: Missouri - It has more and better colleges and universities. Missouri State University the largest
and best known, beats out UI-Springfield. MO has several smaller universities too.
Economy: Definitely Missouri.
Food: Missouri gave the world Springfield Chicken so I'll go with that.
Cost of Living: Both affordable.
Crime: Neither is great on this but I'll go with Springfield, MO.
Infrastructure/Transportation: MO. About the same interstate connection. MO airport has flights to more
destinations.
Urbanity: MO - It's bigger.
Desirable Suburbs: MO. Don't know if either is big on suburbs but Branson beats whatever is outside of IL.
Climate: MO. IL is too cold in the winter and still hot in the summer.
Location: MO. If being closer to St. Louis and Chicago is important to you then you might pick IL for this.
But MO is in the Ozarks - beautiful and great for outdoor activities, and you can counter
proximity to St. Louis and Chicago with proximity to Kansas City.
Proimity to other major cities: IL.

Based on what I've seen other people post about the one in MA, it's behind MO city but beats it with metro because of proximity to major cities, transportation, and nice places outside the city that are included in its metro.
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Old 07-03-2021, 12:31 AM
 
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We could also look at the murder rate by city and MSA

Murder rate by city (not MSA) - (data collected from city-data.com)

Springfield, MA
2019: 13/100,000
2018: 12.2/100,000
2017: 9.1/100,000
2016: 7.8/100,000
2015: 11.7/100,000
Five year average: 10.8/100,000

Springfield, MO
2019: 6.5/100,000
2018: 9.5/100,000
2017: 8.3/100,000
2016: 4.8/100,000
2015: 6.0/100,000
Five year average: 7/100,000

Springfield, IL
2019: 7.9/100,000
2018: 7.9/100,000
2017: 9.5/100,000
2016: 5.1/100,000
2015: 9.4/100,000
Five year average: 8/100,000

MSA murder rates 2016 (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...tables/table-4)

Springfield, MA (MSA) 2.9/100,000
Springfield, MO (MSA) 2.6/100,000
Springfield, IL (MSA) 3.8/100,000

Entire state Murder rates
(2017): https://worldpopulationreview.com/st...-rate-by-state
Massachusetts: 2.5/100,000
Illinois: 7.8/100,000
Missouri: 9.8/100,000

From the data, Springfield, MA has the highest murder rate within the city limits, but it's in the middle when discussing the entire MSA. Springfield, IL is in the middle within the city limits but its MSA is the highest.

Springfield, MA may have the highest murder rate of the three, I believe it is usually in the one of the top three worst cities in Mass (quite often it has the highest murder rate, depending on the year).

As you can see, the IL and MO Springfields are actually lower than their state averages.
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Old 07-03-2021, 07:26 AM
 
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Originally Posted by masssachoicetts View Post
I never thought Springfield MA would win something.

But here we are. However, Springfield MA isn't all that bad:

Pretty Busy Downtown: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1025...7i16384!8i8192
Nice Core/MGM Casino: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0998...7i16384!8i8192
Boston Style Brownstones: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1051...7i16384!8i8192

However, what wins it is the scenery/towns near it:
Northampton: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3183...7i16384!8i8192
Up in Greenfield MA:https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5980...7i16384!8i8192
The Berks: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2422...!7i7680!8i3840
The Berks, about 35-40 mins away: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6441...!7i8704!8i4352

If you're including places not particularly connected to Springfield, you have to include Holyoke which is actually connected. Another failed place with a school system in state receivership. Chicopee, also next to Springfield, is no prize, either.
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Old 07-03-2021, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Mountain Home, AR
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Springfield, IL is a nice little city.
Springfield, MO is a drug-ridden ghetto.
I know nothing about Springfield, MA.
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Old 07-03-2021, 08:18 AM
 
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Springfield, IL is a nice little city.
Springfield, MO is a drug-ridden ghetto.
I know nothing about Springfield, MA.
Springfield MO has higher crime than you'd expect for such a suburban looking city, but it's not bad either.
Downtown is okay and the rest of the city is mostly single family homes. The north side of the city is a little rough, but that's about it.
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Old 07-03-2021, 09:02 AM
 
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I never thought Springfield MA would win something.
This right here.
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Old 07-03-2021, 12:57 PM
 
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I never thought Springfield MA would win something.

But here we are. However, Springfield MA isn't all that bad:

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They improved it a bit after the tornado. Then the casino added more to downtown. The strip clubs are closing too. It had a lot of those for a small city. I remember this story:
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Officials had already evacuated part of the entertainment district in one of New England's biggest cities because of a gas leak and odor report before a natural gas explosion leveled a strip club and heavily damaged a dozen other buildings, including a day care.
https://www.wbur.org/news/2012/11/24...-club-explosio

So there was s strip club right near a day care. OK fine.
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Old 07-04-2021, 06:17 AM
 
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They improved it a bit after the tornado. Then the casino added more to downtown. The strip clubs are closing too. It had a lot of those for a small city. I remember this story:

https://www.wbur.org/news/2012/11/24...-club-explosio

So there was s strip club right near a day care. OK fine.
The ole daycare to strip club pipeline...
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Old 07-04-2021, 01:02 PM
 
Location: CHICAGO, Illinois
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Definitely Springfield, IL. Solid mid-sized city with some interesting history and a moderate climate. Also not too far from St. Louis, KC, Indianapolis, or Chicago. I was just in Springfield MO a couple of weeks ago and was not at all impressed. Southern MO def lives up to it's reputation as a meth capital (a trip to the local Wal-Mart was eye opening), but the Ozarks around Branson is very beautiful...yet that summer humidity sucked the life out of me.

Never been to Springfield, MA.
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