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Originally Posted by As Above So Below...
Im curious to know how many people commenting have spent time in Asia.
I have been to SE Asia (Singapore, Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia), with a long layover in Guangzhou, China. I've also dated a Filipino from the islands themselves not American Filipino.
Vietnamese to me could go either way, similar in many ways to South Chinese, but connected to the rest of SE Asia, but hey I'm a Black male from the United States, who am I to say.
I have been to SE Asia (Singapore, Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia), with a long layover in Guangzhou, China. I've also dated a Filipino from the islands themselves not American Filipino.
Vietnamese to me could go either way, similar in many ways to South Chinese, but connected to the rest of SE Asia, but hey I'm a Black male from the United States, who am I to say.
100%. theres no problem with the question. You can make the case either way. BostonMade’s passion to get it right is what’s odd here. Many consider Vietnam part of East Asia and many don’t. Without an official definition, there’s not much
The same argument exists for Iran with the Middle East or even Turkey. Or Afganistán with South Asia. Heck, not to mention Central America. This is why people specify when there’s doubt. And that’s why I made sure to specify. Definitely strange to see the passion to change everyone’s opinion
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100%. theres no problem with the question. You can make the case either way. BostonMade’s passion to get it right is what’s odd here. Many consider Vietnam part of East Asia and many don’t. Without an official definition, there’s not much
The same argument exists for Iran with the Middle East or even Turkey. Or Afganistán with South Asia. Heck, not to mention Central America. This is why people specify when there’s doubt. And that’s why I made sure to specify. Definitely strange to see the passion to change everyone’s opinion
Yes there are a few "middle ground" type of regions of the World, where the grey area on how to describe the local populace is pretty large. To me Vietnamese is simply Asian, I don't say SE Asian, nor East Asian, just "Asian", (although on a map it's clearly Southeast Asia).
100%. theres no problem with the question. You can make the case either way. BostonMade’s passion to get it right is what’s odd here. Many consider Vietnam part of East Asia and many don’t. Without an official definition, there’s not much
The same argument exists for Iran with the Middle East or even Turkey. Or Afganistán with South Asia. Heck, not to mention Central America. This is why people specify when there’s doubt. And that’s why I made sure to specify. Definitely strange to see the passion to change everyone’s opinion
I agree completely. The OP made a specific criteria for the countries included in the discussion. I understand if you want to argue Boston is more of a Mecca for East Asian culture based on its urban Chinese population but the OP wanted to include a more diverese range of East Asian countries. Even though Vietnam or the Phillippines may be considered southeast Asia they still have historically been heavily influenced by East Asian countries such as China and Japan. So their are definitely cultural ties between the more developed East Asian countries and Southeast Asia. This relationship is opposed to other countries in Asia such as India and the other Western Asian countries. OPs criteria is valid based on the historical cultural ties between many of the countries in Eastern Asia.
Its pretty hard to rank a region as a whole. I guess Id have to define it first. I see a Mecca as a place people, from a specific group, are drawn to live. That makes it even more tricky because, by that definition, there is no Japanese or Korean Mecca in the US right now because immigrants from those countries dont really move here much anymore.
But that definition discounts the large number of people from those countries already living here. I dont see a large population already in place as a "Mecca" per se, but they were obviously a Mecca at one time.
I think total population is more important than per capita (or concentration) in this measure because a group like the Chinese in New York will create a larger enclave than one in San Jose even though youd be more likely to run into a Chinese person in San Jose. Even so, the enclave will be much smaller in San Jose.
With that in mind, Id look at two different metrics: who is moving in and who is already there. Ill base my ranking on both. Since youre the OP and your intention was to include Southeast Asian countries, I will do so as well.
Lets start by who is there already. Ill divide it into two groups: major enclaves (over 30,000 immigrants) and minor enclaves (10,000-30,000 immigrants).
Major Enclaves
Los Angeles: 6 Countries - China, Philippines, Vietnam, Korea, Taiwan, and Japan
New York City: 4 Countries - China, Philippines, Korea, and Taiwan
San Jose: 4 Countries - China, Philippines, Vietnam, and Taiwan
Washington DC: 4 Countries - China, Philippines, Vietnam, and Korea
Seattle: 4 Countries - China, Philippines, Vietnam, and Korea
San Francisco: 3 Countries - China, Philippines, and Vietnam
Chicago: 3 Countries - China, Philippines, and Korea
Houston: 3 Countries - China, Philippines, and Vietnam
Atlanta: 3 Countries - China, Vietnam, and Korea
San Diego: 3 Countries - China, Philippines, and Vietnam
Sacramento: 3 Countries - China, Philippines, and Vietnam
Dallas/Fort Worth: 2 Countries - China and Vietnam
Boston: 1 Country - China
Philadelphia: 1 Country - China
Las Vegas: 1 Country - Philippines
Minor Enclaves
Los Angeles: 3 Countries - Thailand, Cambodia, and Indonesia
New York City: 3 Countries - Vietnam, Japan, and Thailand
San Francisco: 3 Countries - Korea, Taiwan, and Japan
Boston: 3 Countries - Philippines, Vietnam, and Korea
Philadelphia: 3 Countries - Philippines, Vietnam, and Korea
Chicago: 2 Countries - Vietnam and Japan
Seattle: 2 Countries - Taiwan and Japan
Houston: 2 Countries - Korea and Taiwan
Dallas/Fort Worth: 2 Countries - Philippines and Korea
San Diego: 2 Countries - Japan and Korea
Washington DC: 1 Country - Taiwan
San Jose: 1 Country - Korea
Atlanta: 1 Country - Philippines
Las Vegas: 1 Country - China
Now in terms of which places are growing fastest by immigrant group 2010-2019:
East Asian Growth (Japan, Korea, Taiwan, and Hong Kong)
New York City: 59,439
Los Angeles: 57,007
Seattle/Tacoma: 55,927
San Jose: 46,760
Boston: 38,135
San Francisco: 28,180
Dallas/Fort Worth: 27,864
Chicago: 24,318
Riverside: 21,648
San Diego: 17,660
Houston: 15,540
Sacramento: 14,589
Portland, OR: 12,754
Washington DC: 12,684
Philadelphia: 11,515
Denver: 7,878
Austin: 7,056
Atlanta: 6,518
Columbus, OH: 6,353
Charlotte: 6,081
Detroit: 5,758
Phoenix: 5,752
Tampa: 5,377
Las Vegas: 4,582
Orlando: 4,565
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 3,006
Baltimore: 2,223
Minneapolis/St. Paul: 1,574
Providence: 192
and Southeast Asian Growth (Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Burma, Vietnam, Thailand, Philippines, and Singapore)
Houston: 38,178
Las Vegas: 27,340
Dallas/Fort Worth: 23,866
Atlanta: 21,133
Riverside: 16,927
Los Angeles: 15,934
San Francisco: 15,022
Phoenix: 13,125
San Diego: 12,775
Minneapolis/St. Paul: 11,717
Seattle/Tacoma: 10,773
San Jose: 10,723
Sacramento: 9,416
New York City: 8,959
Orlando: 8,494
Charlotte: 7,520
Chicago: 6,858
Washington DC: 5,793
Austin: 5,738
Tampa: 5,460
Portland, OR: 3,794
Boston: 3,277
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 1,600
Columbus, OH: 1,269
Providence: 949
Denver: -310
Philadelphia: -846
Baltimore: -1,178
Detroit: -3,713
So based on the data above I would rank them as below:
Los Angeles
New York City
San Francisco/San Jose
Seattle
Washington DC
Houston
Boston
Chicago
San Diego
Dallas/Fort Worth
Atlanta
Philadelphia
Sacramento
My opinion anyway.
Last edited by As Above So Below...; 07-28-2021 at 08:53 PM..
No one says that though... you're inserting ambiguity I've ever, ever, heard of. I don't think that confusion exists.
You're saying that, but people don't say that.
This entire thread says otherwise. No one questioned it until you did and you’ve been arguing on your own this whole time. But go ahead and keep supposing your definition is just the one everyone has to adopt even though most disagree with you.
Apparently, BostonMade is in charge of this decision but no one is listening to it as is expected.
He’s right, though, that Vietnamese is not typically considered East Asian. There is no “official” boundary and you can make the case that it should be part of East Asia, as some in this thread have. But type in “East Asia” into a Google search and it’s clear the general consensus is that it does not include Vietnam.
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