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He’s right, though, that Vietnamese is not typically considered East Asian. There is no “official” boundary and you can make the case that it should be part of East Asia, as some in this thread have. But type in “East Asia” into a Google search and it’s clear the general consensus is that it does not include Vietnam.
Except that’s not what he’s saying. He’s saying the grouping of Vietnamese among Chinese, Koreans, etc is “ever ever” done (quoted). We all know that’s not true. People generally group Vietnam with China as well as the Philippines etc altogether as “Asian”. India isn’t generally added with this group for reasons described already many times.
Much like you mentioned, there are no official boundaries and many case the case on both sides. Which is why when a scenario like this is made. Because of the confusion, the criteria is well defined in the OP. Were I to have taken the East out, it would be even more misleading as a simple “Asian” would have people wondering about India, Saudi Arabia. BostonMade has spent the entire thread crying about the criteria expecting a different answer that he will never get. There are no official boundaries so there’s nothing to prove wrong. The criteria remains what’s listed on OP.
Except that’s not what he’s saying. He’s saying the grouping of Vietnamese among Chinese, Koreans, etc is “ever ever” done (quoted). We all know that’s not true. People generally group Vietnam with China as well as the Philippines etc altogether as “Asian”. India isn’t generally added with this group for reasons described already many times.
To the Bolded: Do we? when has Vietnam ever been considered EAST Asia?
Yes, Vietnam is considered Asian because it is in Asia. It is not grouped with EAST Asia.
Who doesn't consider India Asia? You group the Philippines with China? Why?
To the Bolded: Do we? when has Vietnam ever been considered EAST Asia?
Yes, Vietnam is considered Asian because it is in Asia. It is not grouped with EAST Asia.
Who doesn't consider India Asia? You group the Philippines with China? Why?
But India isn't called "Asian"? by whom?
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Originally Posted by ParaguaneroSwag
For sakes of this thread, we are including both northeast and Southeast Asia. Basically, the Himalayas as the dividing point. So Vietnam and the Philippines are included but not Nepal, India, etc.
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this not going to get anywhere and you’re not going to change anyone’s opinion. If you want to stick to your definition, by all means. There’s no point on continuing. If the criteria bothers you that much, you’re not forced to contribute.
It's cases like this that show the limitations of only looking at foreign born data rather than ancestry. This data would make it seem like DC and Boston are close for Cambodian enclaves, but if you look at the data in B02015 there are the numbers for the two UAs:
Lexington and Acton are actually very South Asian in addition to East Asian. That's why Acton and the other Lex zip code don't make the "top 10" list despite being 30% and 26% Asian; Boxborough is too sparsely populated to qualify. Brookline and Cambridge are up there but not high enough to be "top 10" in the state.
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It's cases like this that show the limitations of only looking at foreign born data rather than ancestry. This data would make it seem like DC and Boston are close for Cambodian enclaves, but if you look at the data in B02015 there are the numbers for the two UAs:
It's cases like this that show the limitations of only looking at foreign born data rather than ancestry. This data would make it seem like DC and Boston are close for Cambodian enclaves, but if you look at the data in B02015 there are the numbers for the two UAs:
Cambodia
Boston: 24,836
Washington DC: 7,169
Lexington and Acton are actually very South Asian in addition to East Asian. That's why Acton and the other Lex zip code don't make the "top 10" list despite being 30% and 26% Asian; Boxborough is too sparsely populated to qualify. Brookline and Cambridge are up there but not high enough to be "top 10" in the state.
Realistically- there are definitley 24,836 Cambodians in Lowell MA alone lol. Forget the hose Boston UA. They're so undercounted its nuts. Cant rely on Census numbers for certain groups-just cant.
In Lowell, Cambodian-Americans make up 12.5 percent of the population [2010], the largest percentage of any city in the country, according to the US Census (though Mayor Rodney Elliott believes they’ve been “extremely undercounted”). "Cambodia Town of Lowell" by Dr. Sengly Kong - RichardHowe.com
According to the 2010 US Census, Lowell has about 22,000 Cambodians; however, it is widely agreed that Cambodians in Lowell were seriously undercounted. Community leaders, who live and work for decades in the community, estimated that there are approximately 35-40,000 Cambodians about one third of the city population; the estimate is quite consistent with extrapolated school enrollment data.
I don't think most East Asians see themselves as such, so it doesn't really matter that much how you categorize them. A second generation Chinese American is no more likely to go to a predominantly Vietnamese club than a non-ethnic one, and the first generation immigrants of any ethnicity only care about amenities that cater to their language and culture. They only see themselves as 'Asian' when checking off boxes or reading about hate crime incidents.
A ranking of Chinese-American mecca will likely not overlap much with one for Korean-American or Japanese-American, except maybe at the top. The list that you guys are trying to build might be more applicable to second or third generation Asian Americans who only want a place where other people are used to them and they don't stand out in any way. They don't use much of Asian amenities except for restaurants where their taste is probably not that different from other Americans.
Realistically- there are definitley 24,836 Cambodians in Lowell MA alone lol. Forget the hose Boston UA. They're so undercounted its nuts. Cant rely on Census numbers for certain groups-just cant.
In Lowell, Cambodian-Americans make up 12.5 percent of the population [2010], the largest percentage of any city in the country, according to the US Census (though Mayor Rodney Elliott believes they’ve been “extremely undercounted”). "Cambodia Town of Lowell" by Dr. Sengly Kong - RichardHowe.com
According to the 2010 US Census, Lowell has about 22,000 Cambodians; however, it is widely agreed that Cambodians in Lowell were seriously undercounted. Community leaders, who live and work for decades in the community, estimated that there are approximately 35-40,000 Cambodians about one third of the city population; the estimate is quite consistent with extrapolated school enrollment data.
If you give one city that benefit of a doubt, you have to do the same with all of them. To be honest, the Cambodian population in the US is probably lower than it was in 2010. Whenever you see a widening gap between those claiming ancestry and those born in said country, it means people have slowed down or stopped immigrating into the US. That is the case with Cambodians. They mainly came here in the late 70s and early 80s during and after the Khmer Rouge. They don’t currently have anything to flee and not enough we’re settled here to create a magnet for future generations so they stopped coming.
Boston Shudra does have a point about ancestry.
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