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Out of scale, way too tall, and clunky/tacky in its aesthetic.
Why so tall? I could see it being ok at 400 - 500 feet. This height though, absolutely no.
The proposal has to be some kind or PR tactic to lure investor attention to the parts of the project they actually intend to build. I don't even know how they think they could get that kind of occupancy, short of some kind of mega casino.
My quick assumption would be that this is possible only if a billionaire donates a billion to it. There will never be an economic case for a tower like this outside a relative handful of locations. It would be:
--Extremely expensive per square foot
--A pain in the ass for users to get up and down
--Not a location that would draw big rents
--Uncomfortable to be in during high winds even with dampeners
Out of scale, way too tall, and clunky/tacky in its aesthetic.
Why so tall? I could see it being ok at 400 - 500 feet. This height though, absolutely no.
Right. I don’t see the need for a building that tall when there’s no constrain on space. It would look out of place in most cities (including Dallas). A lot of downtown areas have a proliferation of parking lots. That should be developed first before any supertall is proposed IMO.
One thing I don’t like is tall buildings with not much low-rise density. That’s a problem in Downtown Dallas ATM and makes it hard to even enjoy the skyline from a very close up or aerial view. The parking lots is like someone smiling with missing front teeth.
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This is unrelated to the proposed supertall in OKC, but it’s a new proposal for the Reunion District in Downtown Dallas. Thought I should share it. It’s much needed infill that’s being proposed in an ugly section of Downtown.
They say it has a high change of happening since our Convention Center next to it is being replaced.
Hunt’s plan calls for constructing a dozen new high-rise residential and commercial buildings with up to 3,000 apartment units, a hotel with 600 to 1,000 rooms, 150,000 square feet of retail space and up to 2 million square feet of office space, as well as a 3- to 4-acre park, according to the Dallas Morning News. It also plans to redevelop the historic Union Station, located across the railroad tracks from Reunion Tower.
The first phase of construction is likely to include hotel, retail, dining and entertainment real estate to support the convention center, as well as affordable apartments. Ultimately, the project is expected to house 5,000 people, with 1,500 units of workforce housing.
Right. I don’t see the need for a building that tall when there’s no constrain on space. It would look out of place in most cities (including Dallas). A lot of downtown areas have a proliferation of parking lots. That should be developed first before any supertall is proposed IMO.
One thing I don’t like is tall buildings with not much low-rise density. That’s a problem in Downtown Dallas ATM and makes it hard to even enjoy the skyline from a very close up or aerial view. The parking lots is like someone smiling with missing front teeth.
How do you expect that to work? The real world isn't Sim City. If person #1 owns a property and wants to operate it as a parking lot that is their choice. You are saying that person #2 who owns a different property shouldn't be allowed to develop it until person #1 develops the parking lot?
Of course you can have zoning to limit building size and in fact most cities do, but expecting an American city to have zero underutilized parcels of land is not realistic.
Dallas hasn't built a 600 foot tower since the 1980's while they've become one of the largest metros in the country.
Would be a shame if that OKC tower got built just to troll Dallas.
Back in the 70's sure. In 2023? Developers in Dallas would say "cool" and then continue on building their 400 unit high-rise development(s) in Uptown.
Outside of maybe Austin, Miami or NYC.... cities/developers genuinely don't care about breaking height records anymore or building tall for the sake of building tall. Cohesive urban densification is more important than vanity height in modern cities
How do you expect that to work? The real world isn't Sim City. If person #1 owns a property and wants to operate it as a parking lot that is their choice. You are saying that person #2 who owns a different property shouldn't be allowed to develop it until person #1 develops the parking lot?
Of course you can have zoning to limit building size and in fact most cities do, but expecting an American city to have zero underutilized parcels of land is not realistic.
I’m not saying that have to, but most parking lots are the result of mandatory parking minimums. Developers have said in Dallas, they don’t build a lot of new developments in downtown because of all of the parking lots. Tenants don’t find a view of surface parking lots attractive. Also, with a lot of underutilized lots, urban neighborhoods aren’t being created. Just islands of skyscrapers with dead streetscapes. Dallas has the most vacant land out of any major downtown and it’s not vibrant as a result. Dallas is exactly (unfortunately) what I’m describing…even with the improvements over the last 20 years. That’s not something that any city should replicate if they want street level activity and not just a skyline that looks good from the freeway passing by. That’s the major reason Dallas is planning to change it.
I thought all major Texas Cities got rid of mandatory parking minimums downtown?
Houston's downtown, East Downtown and midtown are exempt.
Nope. Dallas is very slow when it comes to change. The city's government is set up that way on purpose. They say its a way to keep the city from making hasty decisions. They say it's suppose to come to the city council for a vote, this winter or early next year.
Back in the 70's sure. In 2023? Developers in Dallas would say "cool" and then continue on building their 400 unit high-rise development(s) in Uptown.
Outside of maybe Austin, Miami or NYC.... cities/developers genuinely don't care about breaking height records anymore or building tall for the sake of building tall. Cohesive urban densification is more important than vanity height in modern cities
Great, they can do whatever they want.
I can say "cool" and continue to notice that residential high rises in a city that size is mostly status quo maintenance, and that they're losing the actual skyscraper race to not just Houston but also Austin.
Yeah, looking at the surrounding area, it all low rise buildings.
That is way out of scale for the area. No way that is getting built, and no way they are convincing investors, who know a lot more than me, that this is a serious proposal.
Right--and it's surrounded by parking lots, mostly. Plus think of the parking they'd have to create for this monstrosity.
This building would look out of place in almost any city, except maybe Shanghai, Dubai or NYC.
These developers should go back to the drawing board and plan to develop 5 or 6 buildings, ranging from like 10 to 50 stories, or like 150 - 500 feet.
That would create a nice bit of building infill and density that OKC desperately needs.
The last think OKC needs is another super out of place supertall. It's just not in demand, or even aesthetically pleasing for the area.
The residents would have unobstructed views of -- miles and miles of prairie! LOL
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