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Old 01-12-2024, 08:53 AM
 
Location: Ca$hville via Atlanta
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To put things in perspective 25 years ago in 1999 the City of Miami had 6 Skyscrapers that were over 500+ feet / 152 meters tall.
As of today there are now 62 Skyscrapers of that height or taller with another 14 Under Construction.
I can't think of any other US city besides New York that has put up as many Skyscrapers in the past Quarter Century as Miami has.
If its any city in the US that has done a Manhattanization it's Miami for sure. It's small population surely doesn't speak for it's Skyline having the 3rd largest skyline in the US. It's skyline easily speaks for a City over 2,000,000 to 3,000,000 people.
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Old 01-12-2024, 09:58 AM
 
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Can we really say that the urban form Miami has thrown up is Manhattanization though?
In the simplest of terms, Manhattanization is crowding an area with tall buildings.
It's usually used in a negative sense to mean the ruining of a neighborhood due to crowding, loss of sunlight, increased traffic....

Apart from a few areas the term doesn't really apply to Miami.

Sure Miami has put up tons of buildings but most are not in the ruination of neighborhoods category.
https://www.morphoto.com/img-get/I00...Kp.cBxR6pc.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...rxBYA&usqp=CAU
Or surrounding skylines:
https://casasemmiami.com.br/wp-conte...es-beach-2.jpg
https://travel.usnews.com/images/Vis...tty_Images.jpg
https://as2.ftcdn.net/v2/jpg/01/36/0...ahh6jlt8PZ.jpg
https://previews.123rf.com/images/jo...and-clouds.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/98/a4/0e/9...942248e04b.jpg

It's an impressive array of skylines, but is it Manhattanization though?
When I think of Manhattanization I think of Grand Mansions being surrounded by skyscrapers and everyone wondering which is the next to go. I imagine Manhattanization to mean urban canyons and skyline views. The Skylines to urban canyon ratio didn't much line up in Miami and most of the views are beautiful natural scapes, not looking over other tall buildings.

Miami, despite putting up killer numbers, just doesn't have the structural culturing or the street presence at ground level to consider it Manhattanization.

Toronto downtown has been undergoing Manhattanization, certain areas of Miami has been undergoing Manhattanization, but the dozens of buildings included in the count for Miami, most are not developed in the manner that fits the term.

Manhattanization is building to look like this:
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/4f/68/52/4...c200afdbe8.jpg
https://i.etsystatic.com/14094053/r/...11371_3fpr.jpg
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=htt...951aaa2e021315
https://st3.depositphotos.com/135079...-manhattan.jpg
https://c8.alamy.com/comp/J2T7CR/vie...ing-J2T7CR.jpg
https://media.istockphoto.com/id/165...SUJQLxd61komY=
https://tile.loc.gov/storage-service...500/15539r.jpg
https://st3.depositphotos.com/135079...-manhattan.jpg

Miami built form is definitely not that ^ pattern. It's not Manhattanization, it's more Minimization.

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Old 01-12-2024, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Only three cities in NA in need of substantially more high rises in their core imo;

LA
Mexico City
Detroit

A few more with more moderate needs;

Dallas
Phoenix
St. Louis

The rest just need mild additions here and there regularly over time.
For your first list, I'd add these cities that need substantially more in their core:

Atlanta -- 700 - 900 feet: add 3 more
500 - 700 feet: add 8 more
300 - 500 feet: add 15 more

Indianapolis -- 600-800 feet: add 2 more
500-600 feet: add 3 more
300 - 500 feet: add 8 more

Baltimore -- 600-800 feet: add 3
400-600 feet: add 5

needing moderate additions (beyond those you mentioned):

Memphis -- 400-500 feet: add 2
300-400 feet: add 5

Birmingham, AL -- 400-500 feet: add 2
300-400 feet: add 4

Tampa -- 600-800 feet: add 2
400-600 feet: add 5
300-400 feet: add 5

Jacksonville, FL -- 600-700 feet: add 1
500-600 feet: add 2
300-500 feet: add 8
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Old 01-12-2024, 10:34 AM
 
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If its any city in the US that has done a Manhattanization it's Miami for sure. It's small population surely doesn't speak for it's Skyline having the 3rd largest skyline in the US. It's skyline easily speaks for a City over 2,000,000 to 3,000,000 people.

Municipal population is completely irrelevant. It's a city of five million, and one with huge amounts of tourism, expats, and lifestyle-focused people, with economics that push people to towers, particularly on the shoreline.


As for what cities "need" in terms of highrises, is that for aesthetics (UrbanQuest), economics, functionality, feel....?
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Old 01-12-2024, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Ca$hville via Atlanta
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Municipal population is completely irrelevant. It's a city of five million, and one with huge amounts of tourism, expats, and lifestyle-focused people, with economics that push people to towers, particularly on the shoreline.


As for what cities "need" in terms of highrises, is that for aesthetics (UrbanQuest), economics, functionality, feel....?

I get where you are going with the Metro vs. City thing we go down this road a lot here and i get your point,,, We already know Miami Metro is over 5,000,000 which would justify skyline size but to be honest City proper population is very important too believe it or not other wise New York, Chicago, LA, huge City proper population would not matter but it does, they are the Largest cities in the US, nevermind metro. Municipalties get funding based off of population so it does matter, it's the main city everything else is counted as suburban outlay. The point here is the Skyline vs. population is very lopsided my friend. Miami has a huge Skyline for a city it's size vs. the big dog Cities like New York and Chicago, it punches way way above it weight!
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Old 01-12-2024, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Odenton, MD
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I get where you are going with the Metro vs. City thing we go down this road a lot here and i get your point,,, We already know Miami Metro is over 5,000,000 which would justify skyline size but to be honest City proper population is very important too believe it or not other wise New York, Chicago, LA, huge City proper population would not matter but it does, they are some Largest cities in the US, nevermind metro. Municipalties get funding based off of population so it does matter, it's the main city everything else is counted as suburban outlay. The point here is the Skyline vs. population is very lopsided my friend. Miami has a huge Skyline for a city it's size vs. the big dog Cities like New York and Chicago, it punches way way above it weight!
Cities don't build skyscrapers anymore. Private developers do, so core city population is largely irrelevant in this context.

Miami has so many skyscrapers because it's a 6 million metro that happens to have premier coastline views which drives up land value.
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Old 01-12-2024, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Ca$hville via Atlanta
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Cities don't build skyscrapers anymore. Private developers do, so core city population is largely irrelevant in this context.

Miami has so many skyscrapers because it's a 6 million metro that happens to have premier coastline views which drives up land value.
I get the point and understood this way before this thread,, my point is we all know why but Miami still punches way above it's weight in the High rise department.. Who really cares the reason why we just love the Physical when it comes to Miami,,, She so Beautiful regardless, and not many can compare to her Big Beauty!!!
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Old 01-12-2024, 12:52 PM
 
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I get the point and understood this way before this thread,, my point is we all know why but Miami still punches way above it's weight in the High rise department.. Who really cares the reason why we just love the Physical when it comes to Miami,,, She so Beautiful regardless, and not many can compare to her Big Beauty!!!
Miami doesn't have a weight comparison in the US though.

There is no other 6+ million metro located in a near tropical environment with miles and miles of beach.
The only comparison would be Honolulu and that is a mich much smaller metro.

We can't compare Miami with other 6plus metros because those are inland metros not pressed for space and doesn't have the beaches and views to warrant all those condos
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Old 01-12-2024, 12:56 PM
 
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I get where you are going with the Metro vs. City thing we go down this road a lot here and i get your point,,, We already know Miami Metro is over 5,000,000 which would justify skyline size but to be honest City proper population is very important too believe it or not other wise New York, Chicago, LA, huge City proper population would not matter but it does, they are the Largest cities in the US, nevermind metro. Municipalties get funding based off of population so it does matter, it's the main city everything else is counted as suburban outlay. The point here is the Skyline vs. population is very lopsided my friend. Miami has a huge Skyline for a city it's size vs. the big dog Cities like New York and Chicago, it punches way way above it weight!
I have no idea what you're talking about. In my 30 years in civic affairs and construction I see no reason why highrise development would be related to how the area is divided administratively.
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Old 01-12-2024, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Flawduh
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I have no idea what you're talking about. In my 30 years in civic affairs and construction I see no reason why highrise development would be related to how the area is divided administratively.
It makes no sense at all. By that logic, Atlanta should have a skyline comparable to Chattanooga.

As for "beauty," it looks nice from a distance, particularly from the water, but the closer you get, the uglier the buildings look... That's what happens when a vast majority of the highrises are similar-styled residential towers.

https://www.google.com/maps/@25.7722...8192?entry=ttu

Toronto did something similar with its waterfront:

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6391...8192?entry=ttu

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