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Miami has nonstops to SF (AA) Seattle (AA) and Dubai (Emirates).
That was exactly my what I said. There are no destinations between San Francisco and Dubai: neither Dubai nor San Francisco are between each other (across the Pacific and not the Atlantic, ofc :P).
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3.39- 1.13 or 7.9 - 2.7 (metro v city??) is still 3:1 ratio. Doesn’t scream the other cities I mentioned. For business purposes makes sense for you, I’m definitely taking the Asian restaurants here in Miami over Dallas though (in spite of its small population).
Having three times of something or some group/being three times as represented is not a noticeable difference to you? I corrected you (who specified DFW and not Dallas) because, for one, I didn't want to deal with someone correcting us later on that and, two, while ratio is important (and I stand by a ratio of 3:1 being significant) raw point difference is also important; the different between 2.7 vs 7.9 is 1 out of every 37 persons being Asian, compared to 1 out of every 13 persons being Asian.
New York City metro is only like 12% to 13% Asian, so, both in terms of ratio and point difference, DFW is more like NYC than Miami, despite what you previously said.
About the restaurants, agree to disagree. We cannot quantify that in any way, except in ways that count the actual number of restaurants, but I doubt you would even care about that figure.
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For several trips a year to Asia, your location makes much more sense; just like my being Miami based is better for the Caribbean, Southeast, NYC, South America (time wise), Europe (time wise) and Middle East—though I don’t have to get on a plane to get to an ocean or drive hours to get to the beach which I do quite a bit more frequently than several times/year.
Keep in mind, you responded to my post in a thread asking which I personally prefer with whatever criteria I wanted to use. This is not a thread about which city is objectively better for a person who likes to travel the world. It is fine you prefer Miami's travel options, but it feels like you took my preferences as some sort of attack on Miami or you.
I'm honestly surprised you took issue with this but not with my preference DFW's weather over Miami's, which I thought would be more controversial.
On the topic of the beach. I do not like the beach and, if I am swimming, I much prefer an artificial pool. Aside from tennis, I avoid time in the sun. And, because of paranoia, I don't like the idea of swimming in the ocean at night.
I think it’s safe to say that if you like Dallas, you will not like Miami. And visiting a place is different from living there.
Culture/People – Dallas more mainstream American with some cultural diversity – easier for most people to find a niche. Miami is Hispanic and Greater NYC mix. If you are not from one of those cultures, you will feel out of place.
Nightlife - if you like nightlife, Miami wins. Avoid making eye contact. It’s not safe.
Traffic – Dallas traffic is breezy for a big city. Miami has awful traffic, but it's not unique in that regard.
Weather - Dallas is hellish for several months. I don't think anyone moves to Dallas for weather. Miami is hot and humid nearly all year. Very tiresome.
People - Texans are some of the kindest people I've met. People like that exist in Miami, but most people will never know them. General atmosphere in Miami is rude and impersonal, like nowhere else in the US.
Housing - nice, relatively safe areas of Miami are expensive, and there aren't many of them, unless you are rich. Lots of housing for rich and poor, not much for middle class. Middle class tends to find itself just above Miami in Broward County/Fort Lauderdale, where there is more to choose from. Dallas has a lot to choose from for everyone.
Taxes - Texas has high property taxes. Both Texas and Florida have no state income tax. Florida probably wins.
Density – I am always surprised to see new housing on such small lots in Dallas/Fort Worth area, considering how much land there is. South Florida is very densely developed.
As far as environment, Miami is great if you like the water. A boat in South Florida is a wonderful way to get away from it all, and you can use it year around. Then there are the Keys. Gulf beaches are within a couple of hours. Beyond the prairie, Dallas is a long way from anything. OKC for the weekend? DFW is a great airport though.
All in all, I wouldn’t choose either place. But if you a gun to my head, I would choose Dallas.
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3 times off a small base is not a big deal to me, particularly when I’ve lived in NY and CA cities for 50+ years of my life that have a greater Asian presence. Where is the Chinatown in Dallas that compares to the one in NYC (the one in Richardson?…. not saying Miami has one either).
(not sure why SF/Dubai was brought into a DFW/Miami conversation)…BTW, I did check and it does appear Emirates offers nonstop between SF and Dubai…did I misunderstand the point you were making?
Agree, hard to quantify restaurants since you will have a different taste for authentic Asian than most non Asian Americans— even the ones in the US cities with the greatest presence/larger communities..
Yes, for your criteria Dallas definitely makes more sense. I only questioned how frequently you flew to Asia, since you brought that up as a key selling point, which probably puts you in the top 1-2% of people in DFW who travel there as often as you do vs far more than 1 or 2 % who live in Miami for warm weather and oceanfront cosmopolitan city.
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I'm not sure how anyone can claim that the Dallas and Houston metros are more diverse than the Miami metro. Is it because they have 5% more of the population Asian? I know it's not cause of the tiny African populations that Dallas and Houston have. That's nothing when looking at the total picture of 7,000,000 people. You have to have a certain percent of the total population a certain ethnicity to even have any significant showing of strong culture in the first place.
If you really look hard at this data and add up all the numbers you will see there really is no contest. The Miami metro has a variety of numerous dense strong culture enclaves that the Houston and Dallas metros have nothing to even compare with. Not to mention all the other ways strong culture is on display around the Miami area compared to Houston and Dallas. People flock there from the most diverse city in the entire world NYC, which just adds to the diversity even more.
Thank you to As Above So Below... for the data
Keep in mind that all these numbers below for the year 2019 are even more impressive for the Miami metro since it's smaller than the Houston and Dallas metros.
Houston/The Woodlands CSA:
Mexico - 36.0% - 601,879
El Salvador - 8.1% - 135,456
Vietnam - 5.8% - 96,184
Honduras - 5.7% - 92,501
India - 5.6% - 90,063
Nigeria - 3.2% - 53,947
China - 3.2% - 53,442
Dallas/Fort Worth CSA:
Mexico - 43.1% - 638,713
India - 9.7% - 143,850
El Salvador - 4.8% - 71,889
Vietnam - 3.8% - 55,611
CSAs by number of immigrant groups over 50,000
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 12
Houston: 7
Dallas/Fort Worth: 4
Urban Areas that have the largest number of immigrants from particular countries. The urban area, the number of countries where said urban area has the largest number of immigrants, and those countries are listed below.
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 7 Countries - Colombia, Cuba, Haiti, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Argentina, and the Bahamas.
Arab and North African
Houston - 58,830
Dallas/Fort Worth - 56,419
Miami/Fort Lauderdale - 38,241
I couldn't find any numbers for the black populations of these metros but I promise you the Miami metro blows away the Dallas and Houston metros in that too. Just the large Haitian and Jamaican populations alone makes the comparison laughable. Does anyone have any numbers that shows Dallas and Houston's so called "large" African population? I promise you it's very small compared the Haitian and Jamaican etc. populations of South Florida.
Foreign born black totals
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 461,997
Houston: 125,646
Dallas/Fort Worth: 124,650
Foreign born African population
Dallas/Fort Worth: 122,192
Houston: 114,579
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 25,936
Percentage of Black community that is foreign born
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 35.4%
Houston: 9.6%
Dallas/Fort Worth: 9.5%
Plus the Miami metro does much better with Europe too..
So we're saying that Houston and Dallas are more diverse because 5% more of their total population is Asian?? What a joke.
Keep in mind that all these numbers for the year 2019 are even more impressive for the Miami metro since its smaller than the Houston and Dallas metros.
3 times off a small base is not a big deal to me, particularly when I’ve lived in NY and CA cities for 50+ years of my life that have a greater Asian presence. Where is the Chinatown in Dallas that compares to the one in NYC (the one in Richardson?…. not saying Miami has one either).
DFW's Asian population is a bit more spread out and not as concentrated into things like Chinatowns. I consider that a good thing. Either way, we were talking about representation of Asians, which is independent of ethnic enclaves.
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(not sure why SF/Dubai was brought into a DFW/Miami conversation)…BTW, I did check and it does appear Emirates offers nonstop between SF and Dubai…did I misunderstand the point you were making?
I merely mentioned that Miami has absolutely no destinations between Dubai and San Francisco. That is a very huge chunk of the world and it is astounding that a major cosmopolitan city like Miami does not have any direct flights. DFW does also have flights to San Francisco and Dubai, several in Europe, and several between the two points.
@Popka, all you illustrate is that Miami is overwhelmingly dependent on Latin America does its diversity. This is clearly visible when you compare Miami's own foreign-born Black population to its African-born population. Not to mention it is the closest of the three metros of having a Majority-in this case Hispanic. There is a reason El Paso, a much more extreme example, isn't considered very diverse, and it is because being diverse is not the same as being not-White.
I'm not sure how anyone can claim that the Dallas and Houston metros are more diverse than the Miami metro. Is it because they have 5% more of the population Asian? I know it's not cause of the tiny African populations that Dallas and Houston have. That's nothing when looking at the total picture of 7,000,000 people. You have to have a certain percent of the total population a certain ethnicity to even have any significant showing of strong culture anyways.
If you really look hard at this data and add up all the numbers you will see there really is no contest. The Miami metro has a variety of numerous dense strong culture enclaves that the Houston and Dallas metros have nothing to even compare with. Not to mention all the other ways strong culture is on display around the Miami area compared to Houston and Dallas. People flock there from the most diverse city in the entire world NYC, which just adds to the diversity even more.
Thank you to As Above So Below... for the data
Keep in mind that all these numbers below for the year 2019 are even more impressive for the Miami metro since it's smaller than the Houston and Dallas metros.
Houston/The Woodlands CSA:
Mexico - 36.0% - 601,879
El Salvador - 8.1% - 135,456
Vietnam - 5.8% - 96,184
Honduras - 5.7% - 92,501
India - 5.6% - 90,063
Nigeria - 3.2% - 53,947
China - 3.2% - 53,442
Dallas/Fort Worth CSA:
Mexico - 43.1% - 638,713
India - 9.7% - 143,850
El Salvador - 4.8% - 71,889
Vietnam - 3.8% - 55,611
CSAs by number of immigrant groups over 50,000
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 12
Houston: 7
Dallas/Fort Worth: 4
Urban Areas that have the largest number of immigrants from particular countries. The urban area, the number of countries where said urban area has the largest number of immigrants, and those countries are listed below.
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 7 Countries - Colombia, Cuba, Haiti, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Argentina, and the Bahamas.
Arab and North African
Houston - 58,830
Dallas/Fort Worth - 56,419
Miami/Fort Lauderdale - 38,241
I couldn't find any numbers for the black populations of these metros but I promise you the Miami metro blows away the Dallas and Houston metros in that too. Just the large Haitian and Jamaican populations alone makes the comparison laguable. Does anyone have any numbers that shows Dallas and Houston's so called "large" African population? I promise you it's very small compared the Haitian and Jamaican etc. populations of South Florida.
Foreign born black totals
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 461,997
Houston: 125,646
Dallas/Fort Worth: 124,650
Foreign born African population
Dallas/Fort Worth: 122,192
Houston: 114,579
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 25,936
Percentage of Black community that is foreign born
Miami/Fort Lauderdale: 35.4%
Houston: 9.6%
Dallas/Fort Worth: 9.5%
Plus the Miami metro does much better with Europe too..
So we're saying that Houston and Dallas are more diverse because 5% more of their total population is Asian?? What a joke.
Keep in mind that all these numbers for the year 2019 are even more impressive for the Miami metro since its smaller than the Houston and Dallas metros.
Thank you to As Above So Below... for the data
Youre welcome for the data but heres the problem that literally NO ONE has addressed despite me bringing up many time: ALL of Miami's diversity comes from one region. Literally ALL OF IT. Thats why Miami is impossible to rank in terms of its diversity. If youre from Latin America or Haiti, Miami is the end all be all. If youre from Asia or Africa, Miami is irrelevant.
Despite your stab at Houston and DFW's "tiny" African population, its simply inaccurate. DFW has the 3rd largest foreign born population in the US and Houston has the largest Nigerian population outside of Africa.
So yeah, Houston and DFW are more diverse overall. Miami has a more diverse population from the Americas.
I’m not putting Pappasito’s in the same league as Javier’s Gourmet Mexicano but it filled my need for TexMex and was near my office in Richardson.
There’s certainly no shortage of Cuban (and even Puerto Rican) restaurants in terms of Caribbean influence though I cannot speak knowledgeably or first hand on other cuisines here (Jamaican, Dominican, Haitian, etc)…Miami does a much better job with South American (especially Peruvian, Argentine and Colombian) and Southern Europe and Mediterranean than Caribbean in my book.
We also have a couple of good Southern restaurants that have opened here in non touristy areas—Root & Bone in South Miami (better than Yardbird) and Marcus Samuelsson opened his second Red Rooster (original in Harlem) which benefits the Overtown community if you ever make it back.
I got extra vacation time this year, maybe I'll give Miami another chance. But I won't be staying in Downtown Miami this time around if I do decide to go back.
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I think it’s safe to say that if you like Dallas, you will not like Miami. And visiting a place is different from living there.
Culture/People – Dallas more mainstream American with some cultural diversity – easier for most people to find a niche. Miami is Hispanic and Greater NYC mix. If you are not from one of those cultures, you will feel out of place.
Nightlife - if you like nightlife, Miami wins. Avoid making eye contact. It’s not safe.
Traffic – Dallas traffic is breezy for a big city. Miami has awful traffic, but it's not unique in that regard.
Weather - Dallas is hellish for several months. I don't think anyone moves to Dallas for weather. Miami is hot and humid nearly all year. Very tiresome.
People - Texans are some of the kindest people I've met. People like that exist in Miami, but most people will never know them. General atmosphere in Miami is rude and impersonal, like nowhere else in the US.
Housing - nice, relatively safe areas of Miami are expensive, and there aren't many of them, unless you are rich. Lots of housing for rich and poor, not much for middle class. Middle class tends to find itself just above Miami in Broward County/Fort Lauderdale, where there is more to choose from. Dallas has a lot to choose from for everyone.
Taxes - Texas has high property taxes. Both Texas and Florida have no state income tax. Florida probably wins.
Density – I am always surprised to see new housing on such small lots in Dallas/Fort Worth area, considering how much land there is. South Florida is very densely developed.
As far as environment, Miami is great if you like the water. A boat in South Florida is a wonderful way to get away from it all, and you can use it year around. Then there are the Keys. Gulf beaches are within a couple of hours. Beyond the prairie, Dallas is a long way from anything. OKC for the weekend? DFW is a great airport though.
All in all, I wouldn’t choose either place. But if you a gun to my head, I would choose Dallas.
I disagree with this. I know plenty of people who like Dallas but love to go visit Miami. Both cities are very different but you can appreciate both. I know in my case it's all about personal experiences in both cities. Of course i'm more familiar with Dallas than I am Miami. But hell NYC is my favorite city in the country so I should like Miami as well.
Difference to me is NYC felt more inviting and welcoming whereas Miami was more impersonal like you stated before.
I think it’s safe to say that if you like Dallas, you will not like Miami.
I don't think it's difficult to like both at all. The US is becoming so advanced and homogenous these days, that you can pretty much lead whatever life you want from wherever you want. Unless you plan on going to the beach all the time, Miami doesn't necessarily offer a ton you can't get elsewhere.
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Youre welcome for the data but heres the problem that literally NO ONE has addressed despite me bringing up many time: ALL of Miami's diversity comes from one region. Literally ALL OF IT. Thats why Miami is impossible to rank in terms of its diversity. If youre from Latin America or Haiti, Miami is the end all be all. If youre from Asia or Africa, Miami is irrelevant.
Despite your stab at Houston and DFW's "tiny" African population, its simply inaccurate. DFW has the 3rd largest foreign born population in the US and Houston has the largest Nigerian population outside of Africa.
So yeah, Houston and DFW are more diverse overall. Miami has a more diverse population from the Americas.
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ok, thanks for clarifying....yes, Miami has no nonstops to East Asia....then again, neither does cosmopolitan Sao Paulo which is the largest city on its continent with a population more than 3X greater than Miami and home to the largest Japanese population in the entire world outside of Japan.
one would assume the airlines have done their homework and determined there is not enough passenger traffic to financially justify flights between Miami (representative of Latin America) and Asia but that does not mean there is no influence between the 2 regions.
Hong Kong and Miami seem to share some commonalities: Hong Kong based Swire Properties has its US real estate subsidiary based in Miami; Hong Kong and Miami share the distinction of being the only 2 cities outside of Switzerland to be Art Basel host cities; Miami real estate has caught the attention of wealthy Chinese investors; Huizhou (in the southern Guangdong province) has been touted as "China's Miami"; Asian youths, even in the absence of nonstop flights, manage to make their way to Miami for Ultra Music Festival during normal years; a number of top European restaurants have locations in Hong Kong and Miami as well as Hong Kong based Hutong having opened its second US gourmet Northern Chinese restaurant in Miami; and Asian cuisine has managed to infiltrate Latin cuisine, particularly Peruvian which is often ranked as the best of all Latin cuisines.
While above might not be enough to satisfy the needs of an Asian or Asian American, Miami is not void of any contact or influence with Asia.
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I merely mentioned that Miami has absolutely no destinations between Dubai and San Francisco. That is a very huge chunk of the world and it is astounding that a major cosmopolitan city like Miami does not have any direct flights. DFW does also have flights to San Francisco and Dubai, several in Europe, and several between the two points.
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