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You just had to have me in the back of your head when you posted this tag team matchup! My answers in boldface in the quote below.
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Originally Posted by illadelph73
As usual, which of the two are better for
Amenities Philadelphia + Baltimore
Architecture Tossup, believe it or not. It's a shame that so much of St. Louis' has been demolished.
Cost of living Kansas City + St. Louis
Crime Tie — it's also a serious problem in most mid-major Midwestern cities, especially these two
Culture Philadelphia + Baltimore
Diversity Philadelphia + Baltimore, with Philly doing the heavy lifting. You all might be surprised at what you find in Greater Kansas City, however.
Downtowns Philadelphia + Baltimore, though Kansas City's punches above its weight and Baltimore's below its
Food Philadelphia + Baltimore, but: I'm a barbecue fiend, and neither of these cities holds a candle to the ones in Missouri, with KC outranking St. Louis
Friendliness Kansas City + St. Louis — Philadelphians are actually friendlier than our reputation suggests, though. And I know that East Coast denizens consider Midwesterners' outgoing nature suspect and superficial, but I assure you it's genuine
Future of those cities Can I mix and match here? I'd say the future is brighter for Philadelphia and Kansas City than for the other two
Good place to live/visit All four, though I don't much care for KC's drive-everywhere character
Growth Tossup: In rank order, KC, Philadelphia, Baltimore, St. Louis
Nightlife Philadelphia + Baltimore, though again, KC punches above its weight here and Baltimore below its
Outdoor activity Philadelphia + Baltimore
Political views Philadelphia + Baltimore, mainly because the rest of Missouri outweighs its two biggest cities
Population density Philadelphia + Baltimore by a country mile
Quality of life Tie
Skyline Philadelphia + Baltimore, though the Gateway Arch is a dramatic exclamation point on St. Louis'
Shopping Philadelphia + Baltimore, though you will find some luxe districts in both Missouri cities (sort of: there is one in KCMo proper and none in StL proper; the suburban hot spots in KC are in Johnson County, KS, while those in St. Louis are in St. Louis County, which, like Baltimore County, is separate from the city)
Sports culture Philadelphia + Baltimore
Things to do Philadelphia + Baltimore, though neither city has anything like St. Louis' Missouri Botanical Garden
Weather Philadelphia + Baltimore. Springtime in the Midwest works against it.
I still love my forever hometown to death, and like most expat Kansas Citians, carry a piece of it in my heart. But even that doesn't prevent me from acknowledging which pair is the bigger powerhouse, and it's the pair on the East Coast. However, those of you who have not visited Kansas City should do so sometime; I think you will be pleasantly surprised at what you find.
Last edited by MarketStEl; 04-01-2022 at 08:12 AM..
The problem here is that Philly alone has more to offer than St Louis and KC combined, but a lot of people don't want to chance going to either Philly or Bmore because of crime and or just idiotic policies. not sure how it is in the midwest lately but it is probably better than the mid atlantic.
The problem here is that Philly alone has more to offer than St Louis and KC combined, but a lot of people don't want to chance going to either Philly or Bmore because of crime and or just idiotic policies. not sure how it is in the midwest lately but it is probably better than the mid atlantic.
St. Louis had the highest homicide rate in the country for the past 3 years…
I don’t see how crime is even relevant since most People on this website already know which areas to avoid when traveling.
St. Louis had the highest homicide rate in the country for the past 3 years…
I don’t see how crime is even relevant since most People on this website already know which areas to avoid when traveling.
Ashby....no offense but with Philly on par or surpassing Chicago in homicides as a smaller city You wanna go there.
I read your Philly forum comments in its crime threads.
Clearly, visitors to cities avoid the highest crime hoods or should. Still some they find it regretfully, way too easy to find themselves in sadly. Even gentrifying areas look hood too long.
Maybe say at least Philly is not Baltimore right? Some like to say that.
Ashby....no offense but with Philly on par or surpassing Chicago in homicides as a smaller city You wanna go there.
I read your Philly forum comments in its crime threads.
Clearly, visitors to cities avoid the highest crime hoods or should. Still some they find it regretfully, way too easy to find themselves in sadly. Even gentrifying areas look hood too long.
Maybe say at least Philly is not Baltimore right? Some like to say that.
They are all bad, and all of them need to fix their issues, so which one is "worse" is pointless in the context of this thread..
Philly (like Chicago) is large enough that you'd have to actively venture deep into it's interiro to find its worst areas so they can and are avoided. Baltimore's rough area's aren't as centralized as Philly's and becuase the city is smaller a lot of times they are within "ear shot" of touristy spots. St. Louis's are largely centralized on the north side of the city, so it's easier to avoid than Baltimore despite it being the more dangerouse city per/captia.
KC has crime for sure, but it's nowhere near the other 3 in real world or perceived violence/crime and it's actully run well, so it would be the "winner" in this sense.
Irl, anyone whose visits these cities already knows their rep and knows what areas to avoid, so it's pretty irrelevent to that demographic.
Kansas City is the only city here that's well-run. The other 3 are varying levels of civic hot messes.
That said, it's hard to see how KC/STL can compete with the tourism and entertainment offerings of two metro areas that total 9 million people (nearly 2x larger than KC/STL).
Kansas City is the only city here that's well-run. The other 3 are varying levels of civic hot messes.
That said, it's hard to see how KC/STL can compete with the tourism and entertainment offerings of two metro areas that total 9 million people (nearly 2x larger than KC/STL).
Overall, they can't — seems to me that's clear to everyone.
But there are people out there who will still prefer some of the things they have an edge on (barbecue, COL) instead. And are willing to put up with the threat of tornadoes in the spring and colder winters to get them. Some of those people have even cast votes in this poll.
Edited to add: And while the Ozark Plateau's mountains aren't all that high — they're more like the Poconos than any other Eastern mountains — and the Lake of the Ozarks is no ocean, I can assure you that the Ozarks are really nice. That's the vacation playground both Missouri cities share: their upper reaches are about an hour away from each.
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