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View Poll Results: Which is is the fourth city of the Big 4 American cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, ...)
Boston 11 4.10%
Philadelphia 23 8.58%
Washington, DC 88 32.84%
Detroit 2 0.75%
Miami 11 4.10%
Atlanta 4 1.49%
Houston 42 15.67%
Dallas 12 4.48%
San Francisco 70 26.12%
Seattle 5 1.87%
Voters: 268. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-21-2022, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Houston owns exports, a whopping $80B worth of oil and gas products are exported out of the MSA every year.

MSAs by Export Value, 2020:
1 Houston $104B
2 New York $75B
3 Los Angeles $50B
4 Chicago $41B
5 Dallas $35B
6 New Orleans $31B
7 Detroit $30B
8 Miami $29B
9 Corpus Christi $28B
10 Portland $27B
11 El Paso $27B
12 Atlanta $25B
13 San Francisco $23B
14 Seattle $23B
15 Boston $23B
16 Philadelphia $23B
17 Cincinnati $21B
18 San Jose $19B
20 Minneapolis $17B

https://www.globaltrademag.com/top-2...-global-trade/
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Old 04-21-2022, 01:05 PM
 
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Wait, the Bay Area has that many more than the other 3 in question? How is that possible considering CA is supposed to be dead/dying and everyone is/has left/is leaving?

Look at this map and tell me if I missed any, please:
https://fortune.com/franchise-list-p...rtune-500-2021


Fortune 500 Companies, 2021:
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland: 36
Houston-The Woodlands: 24
Dallas-Fort Worth: 22
Washington-Baltimore-Arlington: 20


The interesting thing to me is that we actually lost 6 F500s to Texas in the past couple of years: McKesson, Oracle, HP Enterprise, Charles Schwab, Tesla, and Core-Mark, and we still have 36! Imagine if we were more 'business friendly' LOL.

tbh, Im actually glad Tesla left, good riddance.

San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland: 36
#3 Apple
#9 Alphabet
#27 Chevron
#34 Facebook
#37 Wells Fargo
#40 Intel
#56 HP
#63 Cisco Systems
#115 Netflix
#116 Gilead Sciences
#117 Synnex
#121 Broadcom
#133 Visa
#134 Paypal
#137 Salesforce
#160 PG&E
#176 Applied Materials
#182 Western Digital
#184 NVIDIA
#221 Gap
#234 Adobe
#242 Ross Stores
#276 EBay
#281 Uber
#304 Lam Research
#309 Advanced Micro Devices
#322 Square
#380 Intuit
#418 Sanmina
#425 Williams Sonoma
#427 Clorox
#461 Equinix
#468 KLA
#483 Franklin Resources
#485 Electronic Arts
#497 NetApp

Houston-The Woodlands: 24
#48 Phillips 66
#60 Sysco
#105 Enterprise Products
#106 HP Enterprise
#127 Plains GP Holdings
#140 Baker Hughes
#156 ConocoPhillips
#183 Occidental Petroleum
#202 Waste Management
#211 Halliburton
#262 Kinder Morgan
#278 Quanta Services
#285 EOG Resources
#286 Group 1 Automotive
#328 Cheniere Energy
#333 NRG Energy
#342 CenterPoint Energy
#364 Targa Resources
#370 KBR
#388 Westlake Chemical
#457 NOV
#460 Huntsman
#467 Crown Castle International
#475 Academy Sports and Outdoors

Dallas-Fort Worth: 22
#7 McKesson
#10 Exxon Mobil
#11 AT&T
#81 Energy Transfer
#112 CBRE
#148 DR Horton
#158 Kimberly-Clark
#167 Tenet Healthcare
#174 American Airlines
#196 Flour
#210 Texas Instruments
#224 Core-Mark Holding
#225 Jacobs Engineering
#251 Charles Schwab
#274 Vistra
#279 HollyFrontier
#336 Southwest Airlines
#350 Builders FirstSource
#363 Yum China Holdings
#477 Celanese
#428 Pioneer Natural
#492 Commercial Metals

Washington-Baltimore: 20
#25 Fannie Mae
#47 Freddie Mac
#49 Lockheed Martin
#84 General Dynamics
#86 Northrup Grumman
#99 Capital One
#130 Danaher
#152 DXC Technology
#248 Leidos Holdings
#290 Discovery
#293 Marriott International
#313 AES
#383 NVR
#391 Booz Hamilton
#412 Science Applications
#420 Beacon Roofing Supply
#447 T Rowe Price
#465 Sinclair Broadcasting
#473 CACI International International
#482 McCormick
Exxon is no longer HQed in DFW. They are moving to Houston this year.
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Old 04-21-2022, 01:10 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post
Wait, the Bay Area has that many more than the other 3 in question? How is that possible considering CA is supposed to be dead/dying and everyone is/has left/is leaving?

Look at this map and tell me if I missed any, please:
https://fortune.com/franchise-list-p...rtune-500-2021


Fortune 500 Companies, 2021:
San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland: 36
Houston-The Woodlands: 24
Dallas-Fort Worth: 22
Washington-Baltimore-Arlington: 20


The interesting thing to me is that we actually lost 6 F500s to Texas in the past couple of years: McKesson, Oracle, HP Enterprise, Charles Schwab, Tesla, and Core-Mark, and we still have 36! Imagine if we were more 'business friendly' LOL.

tbh, Im actually glad Tesla left, good riddance.

San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland: 36
#3 Apple
#9 Alphabet
#27 Chevron
#34 Facebook
#37 Wells Fargo
#40 Intel
#56 HP
#63 Cisco Systems
#115 Netflix
#116 Gilead Sciences
#117 Synnex
#121 Broadcom
#133 Visa
#134 Paypal
#137 Salesforce
#160 PG&E
#176 Applied Materials
#182 Western Digital
#184 NVIDIA
#221 Gap
#234 Adobe
#242 Ross Stores
#276 EBay
#281 Uber
#304 Lam Research
#309 Advanced Micro Devices
#322 Square
#380 Intuit
#418 Sanmina
#425 Williams Sonoma
#427 Clorox
#461 Equinix
#468 KLA
#483 Franklin Resources
#485 Electronic Arts
#497 NetApp

Houston-The Woodlands: 24
#48 Phillips 66
#60 Sysco
#105 Enterprise Products
#106 HP Enterprise
#127 Plains GP Holdings
#140 Baker Hughes
#156 ConocoPhillips
#183 Occidental Petroleum
#202 Waste Management
#211 Halliburton
#262 Kinder Morgan
#278 Quanta Services
#285 EOG Resources
#286 Group 1 Automotive
#328 Cheniere Energy
#333 NRG Energy
#342 CenterPoint Energy
#364 Targa Resources
#370 KBR
#388 Westlake Chemical
#457 NOV
#460 Huntsman
#467 Crown Castle International
#475 Academy Sports and Outdoors

Dallas-Fort Worth: 22
#7 McKesson
#10 Exxon Mobil
#11 AT&T
#81 Energy Transfer
#112 CBRE
#148 DR Horton
#158 Kimberly-Clark
#167 Tenet Healthcare
#174 American Airlines
#196 Flour
#210 Texas Instruments
#224 Core-Mark Holding
#225 Jacobs Engineering
#251 Charles Schwab
#274 Vistra
#279 HollyFrontier
#336 Southwest Airlines
#350 Builders FirstSource
#363 Yum China Holdings
#477 Celanese
#428 Pioneer Natural
#492 Commercial Metals

Washington-Baltimore: 20
#25 Fannie Mae
#47 Freddie Mac
#49 Lockheed Martin
#84 General Dynamics
#86 Northrup Grumman
#99 Capital One
#130 Danaher
#152 DXC Technology
#248 Leidos Holdings
#290 Discovery
#293 Marriott International
#313 AES
#383 NVR
#391 Booz Hamilton
#412 Science Applications
#420 Beacon Roofing Supply
#447 T Rowe Price
#465 Sinclair Broadcasting
#473 CACI International International
#482 McCormick
Constellation Energy is missing for the Baltimore Washinton list. Baltimore went from 0 fortune 500 companies to 4 in a span of a year.
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Old 04-21-2022, 01:47 PM
 
Location: Houston/Austin, TX
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NRG relocated to Houston since then. Houston has 25. AECOM relocated to DFW. They have 23. Exxon is about to relocate from DFW to Houston giving Houston 26 and DFW back to 23.
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Old 04-21-2022, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Houston/Austin, TX
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Originally Posted by the resident09 View Post
If Fortune 500 companies were the end all be all, then Los Angeles wouldn't be a top 5 city, as they all have more. Even Minneapolis would be in the conversation then. The OP is mostly getting at size and scale.
I agree. Being the world headquarters for very large corporations is a big factor in metro area’s importance but not the only factor.
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Old 04-21-2022, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Houston/Austin, TX
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Originally Posted by 18Montclair View Post
Wait, the Bay Area has that many more than the other 3 in question? How is that possible considering CA is supposed to be dead/dying and everyone is/has left/is leaving?

Look at this map and tell me if I missed any, please:
https://fortune.com/franchise-list-p...rtune-500-2021
The funny thing about this is that for every F500 company that moves from California to Texas or elsewhere, one or two more emerge in the Bay Area
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Old 04-21-2022, 02:08 PM
 
Location: La Jolla
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Yeah, I personally don't see any meaningful comparison between Pittsburgh and SF. As someone mentioned, they both have a hilly topography, but that's about where the comparisons end. Beyond that, even looking at geography/topography, one is located on the bay and the other next to rivers.
Size and structural density.

In the wider historical context, peer cities with SF only recently surpassing Pittsburgh in importance at the end of the 1980's.


Pittsburgh's urban hills and river banks are actually more dramatic than SF's equivalent coastline.
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Old 04-21-2022, 02:45 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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The funny thing about this is that for every F500 company that moves from California to Texas or elsewhere, one or two more emerge in the Bay Area

Yea, and California just recently had two new automakers with market capitalization in the billions release their first production vehicles. One is based in the Bay Area (Lucid) and the other is based in the Los Angeles area (Rivian). Unfortunately, no plants in California though.
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Old 04-21-2022, 02:47 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Who said this is the 'end all'? This is just one critieria to consider. Are we allowed to do that? No need to be so wound up.

Right, same with GDP, population size or status as the nation's capital. Ranking of cities/metropolitan areas is going to be a composite of multiple factors and those among others are all reasonable factors to consider in the composite. I think reducing cities to a single variable or factor is fine if the topic is just about that, but obviously that's not what this is.
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Old 04-21-2022, 02:52 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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I'm going to guess that was a joke to point out how ridiculous it is to take a single factor while ignoring everything else as the basis of saying two cities are thus equivalent. It sounds ridiculous because it's meant to be ridiculous. It's worse when it sounds ridiculous and the person saying it doesn't quite understand why it's ridiculous.
Gotcha. Comment makes more sense in context. I’m way behind in this thread lol.
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