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View Poll Results: Which is is the fourth city of the Big 4 American cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, ...)
Boston 11 4.10%
Philadelphia 23 8.58%
Washington, DC 88 32.84%
Detroit 2 0.75%
Miami 11 4.10%
Atlanta 4 1.49%
Houston 42 15.67%
Dallas 12 4.48%
San Francisco 70 26.12%
Seattle 5 1.87%
Voters: 268. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-21-2022, 02:59 PM
 
Location: OC
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Yea, and California just recently had two new automakers with market capitalization in the billions release their first production vehicles. One is based in the Bay Area (Lucid) and the other is based in the Los Angeles area (Rivian). Unfortunately, no plants in California though.
I've seen those Rivians driving around. Kinda ugly.
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Old 04-21-2022, 03:01 PM
 
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I'm going to guess that was a joke to point out how ridiculous it is to take a single factor while ignoring everything else as the basis of saying two cities are thus equivalent. It sounds ridiculous because it's meant to be ridiculous. It's worse when it sounds ridiculous and the person saying it doesn't quite understand why it's ridiculous.
Oh LOL I'm embarrassed that the SF/Pittsburgh and DC/Canberra parallel managed to go straight over my head.
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Old 04-21-2022, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Houston/Austin, TX
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Yea, and California just recently had two new automakers with market capitalization in the billions release their first production vehicles. One is based in the Bay Area (Lucid) and the other is based in the Los Angeles area (Rivian). Unfortunately, no plants in California though.
They might not want them there
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Old 04-21-2022, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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Lucid is made in Arizona and Rivian is made in Michigan.
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Old 04-21-2022, 03:41 PM
 
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You can almost judge a city's tech/financial prominence by the LACK of new manufacturing. Production goes to cheaper places, to a substantial extent.

Obviously site selection is hugely complex, with a bunch of other +/- factors depending on the company and what they need. But still...
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Old 04-21-2022, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Houston/Austin, TX
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You can almost judge a city's tech/financial prominence by the LACK of new manufacturing. Production goes to cheaper places, to a substantial extent.

Obviously site selection is hugely complex, with a bunch of other +/- factors depending on the company and what they need. But still...
Not at all. LA is one of the biggest manufacturing hubs in America.
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Old 04-21-2022, 04:40 PM
 
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Sure, it's a big manufacturing center. But I said "new." The industrial/warehouse construction is mostly in the Inland Empire. As of today, inventory vs. current construction per CoStar is:
--LA County: 944 msf / 5 msf
--Orange County: 300 msf / 2 msf
--Inland Empire: 706 msf / 29 msf

Its inventory and construction stats are pretty low vs. the leading cities per capita -- even with the Inland Empire. Much of that's warehouses rather than manufacturing, but they follow a lot of the same factors.

Who's building big factories in LA or Orange Counties these days? The IE is an extension of LA, and maybe I should've specified that cheaper metro fringes were an exception...
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Old 04-21-2022, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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This is from bea.gov

We don't see NYC and DC because sometimes the govt makes certain data confidential, such is the case with manufacturing gdp data for those 2 metros for 2020.

2020 MSAs by Manufacturing GDP:
Los Angeles $103.5 Billion
Chicago $80.6 Billion
San Jose $78.7 Billion
San Francisco $74.3 Billion
Houston $70.3 Billion
Dallas $56.4 Billion
Boston $43.3 Billion
Detroit $39.9 Billion
Seattle $39.9 Billion
Minneapolis $33.7 Billion
Atlanta $28.0 Billion
Indianapolis $26.3 Billion
San Diego $25.9 Billion
Portland $25.8 Billion
Phoenix $25.7 Billion
Cincinnati $23.2 Billion
Cleveland $17.9 Billion
Charlotte $16.8 Billion
Milwaukee $16.2 Billion
Austin $16.1 Billion

I'm fairly certain NY is probably #1
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Old 04-21-2022, 08:32 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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I've seen those Rivians driving around. Kinda ugly.
I thought so initially with those headlights, but I came around on it after seeing them in person. They look "friendly" to me now, so I like the more. However, I'm neither a traditional pickup truck or SUV fan. I like hot hatches, pony cars, roadsters, liftbacks, station wagons, minivans and vans, so Rivian's consumer vehicles thus far aren't for me.

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They might not want them there
Heavy manufacturing is also likely quite expensive to do in California for various reasons and meanwhile the Rivian plant in Normal, IL was gotten for a song as a defunct Mitsubishi factory (similar to how Tesla got its Fremont factory) and the Lucid plant in Arizona was able to score incredible tax breaks.
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Old 04-22-2022, 02:37 PM
 
Location: USA Gulf Coast
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Washington DC politically, Houston economically, SF technologically, Philly historically.
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