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Originally Posted by Joakim3
San Francisco and Oakland have a very different cultural/economic dynamic than DC & Baltimore. SF/Oakland & San Jose function as a harmonious 3 node metro. DC & Baltimore function almost entirely independently of each other on a metro lvl and are even more distinct on a city proper level despite being geographically closer than San Jose and SF/Oakland are.
It's an apples to oranges comparison
San Jose, SF, and Oakland are three different cities. My post was in reply to the person say Baltimore is a fully independent "city". San Jose is certainly it's own independent city, light rail, government, school system, city council etc., and almost 50 miles from SF. It is a "fully independent city", as is Baltimore. Oakland is a much better argument for you.
It's more densely connected than DC and Baltimore, and more culturally meshed, but the cities of SJ and SF still "operate independently".
I don't mean "city" as an administrative unit managing its administrative functions. I mean job market, tourism market, media market, developed area, etc. The SF area is nothing like DC/Balt.
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I don't mean "city" as an administrative unit managing its administrative functions. I mean job market, tourism market, media market, developed area, etc. The SF area is nothing like DC/Balt.
Yes and no.
I don't think that it's to the same degree as the Bay Area, but Baltimore-Washington DC is a VERY connected and fluid region, a ton more than is realized on this website. It would take a long time to explain the details, but just understand that the two "metro's" or "cities" have a bit of every thing you just mentioned on some level including media market. The two media markets actually overlap, and there is shared sports/news channels cover Baltimore-Washington region (what used to be Comcast Sportsnet, and also now MASN).
A shared airport in BWI which actually served as DC's jetliner airport after being renamed from Friendship Int'l back in the 60's, and before Dulles was built. This is a combined air market and tourism/ air traffic is meshed together in the region between DC/Baltimore.
To state the obvious: MARC rail, soon to be expanded into NOVA.
Baltimore-Washington DC 3rd largest casino gaming market in the US:
Just search jobs in the "Greater DC-Baltimore area" on Indeed or LinkedIn as they have categories for that. But you can too search them separately. I had job recruiter from Baltimore call me today actually that I declined. (Edit, the recruiter was in Arlington, VA attempting to recruit me who also lives in the DC area to choose a job in Baltimore). Which even further buffers the point of the synergy of both markets.
I really don't see it as that drastically different at all. The cultural obvious differences with Baltimore and Washington being much more distinctive. And yes SF/SJ is more densely connected due to geography, that much is obvious. Dallas-Fort Worth are a singular metro area. Baltimore and DC are literally the two closest major cities spheres of roughly 3 million or more in the country and maybe the continent, for that there's no comparison. The beauty of it is, there's still cultural distinction.
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Sure, there are some tenuous connections. Just not the big stuff continuous urbanity, shared primary media market, shared teams, a job core centered in the middle, etc.
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Sure, there are some tenuous connections. Just not the big stuff continuous urbanity, shared primary media market, shared teams, a job core centered in the middle, etc.
Again I don't see much difference. Neither region has combined MSA's there all separate, at this point to me someone visiting from China to either part of the country landing and spending a week in each would view both regions in the same light. Big mega-regions of combined cities and large population, with independent poles. I wouldn't be surprised if by total number there weren't close to or as many commuters MSA to MSA and crossing lines between DC-Balt and SF-Oak/ SJ honestly.
I think the Bay is clearly more dense, and there's more cultural similarities, but that's about where the difference in mega region ends in my view. Dallas-Fort Worth feels like an individual metro of two near cities like a giant sized Houston, but it's sprawling and way more sprawling than DC-Balt or SF/SJ.
Sure, there are some tenuous connections. Just not the big stuff continuous urbanity, shared primary media market, shared teams, a job core centered in the middle, etc.
Also the Bay Area counties often make policies together -- like during the pandemic, most of the quarantine policies were discussed and executed together by the 8 counties. The Bay Area also has a common transit payment system -- the clipper card. BART is a unique system that serves as both a metro and a commuter rail and links most of the Bay Area.
Baltimore makes stupid decisions daily. Adding DC to bid in anything will turn it to a DC event, while Baltimore will just be used for hotel spillover.
States and countries also combine bids for that sort of thing. You're grasping at tendrils.
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