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Interesting! Thanks for sharing! I thought DC would be much further behind Boston. DC is at 1,412,045 people in 137 sq. miles. With the growth inside I-495 in the DC area, the odds of Philadelphia and Boston remaining in front of DC long term is very low. Philadelphia and Boston just don’t build close to the amount of large apartment buildings that the DC area does.
I haven’t mentioned it before, but a major growth boom is about to take place to the north of DC around the new purple light rail line currently under construction that will cause the areas I mentioned to explode.
The Amazon HQ2 campus and surrounding growth is the major factor to the south. Everyone knows where DC proper is headed so no need to go into that.
As btownboss just showed- the peak population is 1,540,00 in 134 square miles. So dc is 128k behind at 137 square miles. Dc is it surpassing Boston or Philly anytime soon at 135 Sqmi. You’re not closing a 128,000 or 200,000 person gap in the next 15 years
Interesting! Thanks for sharing! I thought DC would be much further behind Boston. DC is at 1,412,045 people in 137 sq. miles. With the growth inside I-495 in the DC area, the odds of Philadelphia and Boston remaining in front of DC long term is very low. Philadelphia and Boston just don’t build close to the amount of large apartment buildings that the DC area does.
You keep lumping Philly and Boston together, but at least for the last ten years I'm pretty sure that Boston has been growing at a solidly faster clip than Philly, though still behind DC.
Arthur Jemison actually worked for a time under Anthony Williams in DC, and he's had a few other jobs in the District maybe besides his role(s) with the Feds. A neat tie-in considering the conversation.
One of Mayor Wu's big goals was to overhaul/reform Boston's zoning and planning, so we could see some big changes in the city's development in the next 10-20 years!
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As btownboss just showed- the peak population is 1,540,00 in 134 square miles. So dc is 128k behind at 137 square miles. Dc is it surpassing Boston or Philly anytime soon at 135 Sqmi.
Why? you and btownboss made different lists using different towns. His list made perfect sense and optimized density better.
Boston growing and places like Wverett and Revere are growing faster than Boston itself. Add to this Boston has another 20,000 people minimum coming in at Suffolk Doens we already know that much is in the bag.
Never mind South Boston Power Plant, Dorchester Bay City, Roxbury Parcel 3, and the 500 new apartments slated for The commuter rail in Hyde Park: the growth is going to continue to be steady. So there really no chance DC make up that massive gap. Boston grows faster than Philly but it’s possible that but could change.
Drat! You're right - I grabbed Malden's 2010 number rather than the 2020 one.
Melrose feels too suburban to me. And unless you include Saugus and Winchester too, I think it's just too far from downtown. To each there own, though. The end point is the same: that 1.5mil in 134sqmi is roughly the right size for an "urban extended Boston".
Drat! You're right - I grabbed Malden's 2010 number rather than the 2020 one.
Melrose feels too suburban to me. And unless you include Saugus and Winchester too, I think it's just too far from downtown. To each there own, though. The end point is the same: that 1.5mil in 134sqmi is roughly the right size for an "urban extended Boston".
That's part of the 'optimization' hes talking about. I used to ride the bus from Oak Grove to Stoneham Zoo for work (was making extra cash running the rides during the Holiday Season, already had my stripes at Franklin Park Zoo)- theres definitely fairly dense parts of Melrose i used to pass through. There's 100% parts of Boston that are just as suburban, if not more, than parts of Melrose. And tbh Melrose is closer to 30,000 than 29,000- hes actually rounding down in some cases.
You keep lumping Philly and Boston together, but at least for the last ten years I'm pretty sure that Boston has been growing at a solidly faster clip than Philly, though still behind DC.
Per the 2020 Census, Philadelphia grew faster than Boston numerically (by about 20K), but Boston grew faster than Philadelphia on a percentage basis (~9% versus ~5%).
You keep lumping Philly and Boston together, but at least for the last ten years I'm pretty sure that Boston has been growing at a solidly faster clip than Philly, though still behind DC.
Arthur Jemison actually worked for a time under Anthony Williams in DC, and he's had a few other jobs in the District maybe besides his role(s) with the Feds. A neat tie-in considering the conversation.
One of Mayor Wu's big goals was to overhaul/reform Boston's zoning and planning, so we could see some big changes in the city's development in the next 10-20 years!
Depends on whether you use the ACS or the census.
That is interesting. He has his work cut out for him based on what I have heard about Boston. I'm glad you're finally getting a planning department. It will do wonders for Boston long term.
if you include
Cambridge
Somerville
Malden
Everett
Chelsea
Revere
(all higher than census and growing steadily)
Boston is >15K/sq mi out to >1M people.
w/ ~150 buildings >280' between them by 2024~25,
hundreds more buildings >150',
and tons more TOD infilling coming by then,
Boston + the above listed will be inching closer to 16K/sq mi in a few years.
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