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I didn't miss it, I just didn't take it seriously because it wasn't the actual count meaning 1,243,678 etc. When I see 1,540,000 etc., I assume it is an estimate unless someone has posted the actual number prior and someone else is just referencing it without being too accurate which is fine. Nobody posted the actual number except that poster so I went with that. I have no reason to not use actual numbers for Boston whether that is 1,494,987 or 1,540,984 or 2,345,875 etc.
Fwiw, I used the old 2010 numbers for at least one of the towns I included toward my 1,494,000 value. I didn’t go back to check the others but there’s a chance I made the same mistake twice. Through it together quickly.
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DC fits into Chicago 3.5x and NYC 7x
Chicago is not all that more dense than DC though, only about 700/800 ppsm difference. NYC is far more dense like 18,000 ppsm more dense than Washington, and that's with those larger boundaries.
The density in DC is far from maxed out, and each quadrant of the city has sections that will continue to build up to the height limits forcing 12-14 story build out across many neighborhoods.
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Chicago is not all that more dense than DC though, only about 700/800 ppsm difference. NYC is far more dense like 18,000 ppsm more dense than Washington, and that's with those larger boundaries.
The density in DC is far from maxed out, and each quadrant of the city has sections that will continue to build up to the height limits forcing 12-14 story build out across many neighborhoods.
If you took the densist 61 sq/mi of Chicago, it would have well over 1 million people.
To put into context how much denser Chicago proper is relative to greater DC. Roughly 2 million people live inside the Capital Betlway (266 sq/mi). Chicago has 2.74 million in 234 sq/mi
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If you took the densist 61 sq/mi of Chicago, it would have well over 1 million people.
To put into context how much denser Chicago proper is relative to greater DC. Roughly 2 million people live inside the Capital Betlway (266 sq/mi). Chicago has 2.74 million in 234 sq/mi
Chicago is substantially denser than DC
In it's most dense areas for sure. Just saying the overall city boundaries aren't far in total density numbers. Question would be how dense is Chicago becoming outside of the Loop, in comparison to DC outside of NW? DC proper could never compete with Chicago on pure "size".
The disparity is still nothing like NYC's level of density compared to either (especially Manhattan).
Chicago is not all that more dense than DC though, only about 700/800 ppsm difference. NYC is far more dense like 18,000 ppsm more dense than Washington, and that's with those larger boundaries.
The density in DC is far from maxed out, and each quadrant of the city has sections that will continue to build up to the height limits forcing 12-14 story build out across many neighborhoods.
Chicago is way denser than DC in the inner 61 sq. miles right now, but I did find it interesting when comparing Chicago's densest neighborhoods to the neighborhoods DC is building. The Gold Coast seems to be the neighborhood with the densest census block groups with a few over 100,000 people per square mile. River North was surprising with barely any census block groups reaching over 100,000 people per sq. mile even with so many skyscrapers.
I think this boils down to the way a city builds. DC and NYC may not build to the same height, but they are the only cities in America that build uninterrupted street walls where the buildings touch for the most part. From a construction standpoint, DC and NYC are putting on a clinic about how to build high population density using a street wall where buildings share party walls whether your buildings are 12-15 stories or 50-100+ stories.
Based on this data below, DC will have neighborhoods that will definitely surpass Chicago in density in the coming years in Navy Yard, Northwest One, Buzzard Point, NOMA, and Union Market. Many of the neighborhoods in DC are still construction zones so it will be very interesting tracking density numbers in the coming years. The data is shocking and just shows what kind of a beast DC is going to become year after year moving forward:
Downtown Chicago (Gold Coast) Census Block Groups
1. 220,468.6 people per square mile
2. 145,311 people per square mile
3. 136,726.2 people per square mile
4. 106,407.2 people per square mile
Downtown DC (Mt. Vernon Triangle) Census Block Groups
1. 167,715.9 people per square mile
2. 153,403.4 people per square mile
3. 150,188.3 people per square mile
4. 130,359.9 people per square mile
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Chicago is way denser than DC in the inner 61 sq. miles right now, but I did find it interesting when comparing Chicago's densest neighborhoods to the neighborhoods DC is building. The Gold Coast seems to be the neighborhood with the densest census block groups with a few over 100,000 people per square mile. River North was surprising with barely any census block groups reaching over 100,000 people per sq. mile even with so many skyscrapers. I think this boils down to the way a city builds. DC and NYC may not build to the same height, but they are the only cities in America that build uninterrupted street walls where the buildings touch for the most part. From a construction standpoint, DC and NYC are putting on a clinic about how to build high population density using a street wall where buildings share party walls.
Based on this data below, DC will have neighborhoods that will definitely surpass Chicago in density in the coming years in Navy Yard, Northwest One, Buzzard Point, NOMA, and Union Market. Many of the neighborhoods in DC are still construction zones so it will be very interesting tracking density numbers in the coming years. The data is shocking and just shows what kind of a beast DC is going to become year after year moving forward:
Downtown Chicago (Gold Coast) Census Block Groups
1. 220,468.6 people per square mile
2. 145,311 people per square mile
3. 136,726.2 people per square mile
4. 106,407.2 people per square mile
Downtown DC (Mt. Vernon Triangle) Census Block Groups
1. 167,715.9 people per square mile
2. 153,403.4 people per square mile
3. 150,188.3 people per square mile
4. 130,359.9 people per square mile
Chicago's certainly impressive along Lake Shore drive for miles up the Gold Coast with all those high rises. The question still remains as to what other areas, as you get away from the lake and outside the loop, will the city build "tall" and stay consistent throughout an entire neighborhood? Like those examples you mentioned in DC, are entire neighborhoods of consistent "high rise" buildings being built, not just a couple of projects.
This will certainly be interesting to watch in the upcoming 10 years.
If you took the densist 61 sq/mi of Chicago, it would have well over 1 million people.
To put into context how much denser Chicago proper is relative to greater DC. Roughly 2 million people live inside the Capital Betlway (266 sq/mi). Chicago has 2.74 million in 234 sq/mi
Chicago is substantially denser than DC
While Chicago is denser than DC at 61 sq. miles right now, I'm really interested to see how downtown DC changes in density. It has the most potential in the city long term for density with office-to-residential conversion. There are some major Federal office building dispositions coming. Their footprints are so large they have the potential to shake downtown DC to its core completely recreating it.
Golden Triangle/Mid-City/Dupont Circle DC Office-to-Residential Conversions
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