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Not at all convinced. As I've said Boston has big areas of development already slated and regional zoning reform that will be implemented by the end of the year will allow for many tens of thousand of housing units to be built more quickly this coming decade.. The Housing Choice Bill. I am 99% confident in saying that gap will not close in the next 10 years because DC is exactly where I thought it would be at the moment.
DC
2020 Total Population:
Original DC Diamond: 1,087,655 people
Surrounding Cities: 324,390 people
Total Population: 1,412,045 people (10,290 people per sq. miles)
Total Land Area:
Original DC Diamond: 102.33 sq. miles
Surrounding Cities: 34.9 sq. miles
Total Land: 137.23 sq. miles
Boston
2020 Total Population:
Total Boston Proper: 675,647 people
Surrounding Cities: 819,134 people
Total Population: 1,494,781 (11,066.7 people per sq. miles)
Total Land Area with Surrounding Cities:
Boston Proper: 48.28 sq. miles
Surrounding Cities: 86.79 sq. miles
Total: 135.07 sq. miles
Difference
Total Population: -82,736 people (-776.7 people per sq. miles)
I can see both arguments and to your point, if Boston is about to start building like DC across the 135.07 sq. miles, then you are correct. Please keep in mind that DC gained 137,000 people in 102 sq. miles from 2010-2020. That doesn't even count any growth from outside that 102 sq. miles. Only time will tell though.
2020 Total Population:
Original DC Diamond: 1,087,655 people
Surrounding Cities: 324,390 people
Total: 1,412,045 people (10,290 people per sq. miles)
Total Land Area:
Original DC Diamond: 102.33 sq. miles
Surrounding Cities: 34.9 sq. miles
Total Land: 137.23 sq. miles
Boston
2020 Total Population: Total: 1,494,781
Total Land Area with Surrounding Cities:
135.07 sq. miles
Difference -82,736 people
I can see both arguments and to your point, if Boston is about to start building like DC across the 135.07 sq. miles, then you are correct. Please keep in mind that DC gained 137,000 people in 102 sq. miles from 2010-2020. That doesn't even count any growth from outside that 102 sq. miles. Only time will tell though.
Stop tossing this number out. We've debunked it twice in a similar thread, this is the third time.
Its 1,540,000.
Quote:
Originally Posted by btownboss4
Suffolk County 58.1 sq miles 798,000
Cambridge 6.4 sq miles 119,000
Somerville 4.3 sq miles 81,000
Everett MA 3.4 sq miles 49,000
Malden MA 5.0 sq miles 66,000
Watertown MA 4.0 sq miles 35,000
Brookline MA 6.8 sq miles 64,000
Arlington MA 5.0 sq miles 46,000
Medford MA 8.1 sq miles 60,000
Quincy MA 16.3 sq miles 102,000
Melrose MA 4.8 sq miles 29,000
Belmont 4.8 sq miles 27,000
1,445,000 in 122.2 sq miles
If you count Lynn and Revere are bordering towns
Lynn 10.7 sq miles 101,000
Thats 1,540,000 in 133.9 sq miles. Basically Philly
The 2020 Census. Suffolk County includes Boston Chelsea and Revere, Lynn borders Revere. You are missing Lynn and are including Waltham. Lynn and Revere are much more practical extensions of Boston due to urbanity, socioeconomic demographics, and geographical similarities (coastal cities)and transit (MBTA subway access) than Waltham which is thoroughly metro west suburban.
Boston, Massachusetts Population 2022
696,959 which sounds right
due to tons of water and wetlands.
Land area is 48.3 sq mi
it's population is higher still==but so is everywhere.
North Boston burbs are building 1,000s of housing units.
i don't think Boston and DC are competing.
Boston is insanely "nimby." DC is not.
The 2020 Census. Suffolk County includes Boston Chelsea and Revere, Lynn borders Revere. You are missing Lynn and Revere (a part of Suffolk County w/ Boston) and are including Waltham. Lynn and Revre are much more practical extensions of Boston due to urbanity, socioeconomic demographics, and geographical similarities (coastal cities)and transit than Waltham which is thoroughly metro west suburban.
I didn't collect those numbers. Another Boston poster collected them. Also, where are the real numbers? Those numbers end with zeros. You know Boston better than me so we can go with your numbers. Do you see all those counties booming with new construction based on the changes the state is bringing? If Boston starts having sunbelt growth, that will be huge for the metro area.
Boston, Massachusetts Population 2022
696,959 which sounds right
due to tons of water and wetlands.
Land area is 48.3 sq mi
it's population is higher still==but so is everywhere.
North Boston burbs are building 1,000s of housing units.
i don't think Boston and DC are competing.
Boston is insanely "nimby." DC is not.
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According to that link you posted:
DC Proper 2022 Population:
Population: 718,355
Land Area: 61.4 sq. miles
+21,396 current people over Boston according to the link in 2022.
+13,898 increase over Boston since 2020 according to the link.
On a side note, I think it is great that cities are returning to normal post COVID. We can all be happy about that!
I didn't collect those numbers. Another Boston poster collected them. Also, where are the real numbers? Those numbers end with zeros. You know Boston better than me so we can go with your numbers. Do you see all those counties booming with new construction based on the changes the state is bringing? If Boston starts having sunbelt growth, that will be huge for the metro area.
Doesn't matter. He rounded down for all of them. (for instance, Melrose's population is 29,817 and he put 29,000). I just now rounded up for Boston itself.
He posted that then another Boston poster posted more accurate numbers, I reposted it and you willfully ignored it, twice.
DC Proper 2022 Population:
Population: 718,355
Land Area: 61.4 sq. miles
+21,396 current people over Boston according to the link in 2022.
+13,898 increase over Boston since 2020 according to the link.
On a side note, I think it is great that cities are returning to normal post COVID. We can all be happy about that!
yup,
There's no way Boston keeps up with DC over the next 10 years.
But does it matter much? They're laid out [quite differently], but their "urban experience" is quite similar throughout much of it.
The nimby residential tower slashing BLOODBATH that's gone on in the last, (really) 4~5 years has significantly hurt Boston's near term densifying.
We're talking close to 3 dozen towers cancelled, slashed, delayed, or stale.
*What causes projects to go stale in a bullish development market?
insufficient height to support complex prep near existing, challenging infrastructure.
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