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There's no agreement about boundaries in Portland. It just depends what person or organization you ask.
CD people like to think there's some Lord Arbiter of these things. That's not how things work.
If this is Portland Oregon, a search shows there is a defined downtown district on the city website with ordinances and taxes. I don't know if the area Portland officials define as downtown is what locals consider downtown however.
All of downtown Charlotte and SouthEnd is 30K (per the 2022 Center City Charlotte report). Not sure there are 30K within a 1 mile radius. Maybe another tool says otherwise.
But assuming there were 30K people in 1 radius of downtown Charlotte, that is around the same density as downtown Raleigh. Which IMO, I can definitely see how downtown Raleigh is underrated.
But this is the problem with comparing downtowns. (large) cities with small urban cores like say Charlotte tend to say "well downtown is this well then add that, well if you add this" whereas places like Portland, downtown is a small defined area and separate from say the Pearl District. Which there are no obvious clues, drop offs in intensity or barriers between downtown Portland and Pearl District Portland.
All of center city is over 67,000 people per the report which is the 1 mile radius of uptown whcih included other neighborhoods, not just SouthEnd and Uptown. That also inclueds my neighborhood of Wesley Heights for example..Raleigh has nowhere near that same density or people living in its core...
All of center city is over 67,000 people per the report which is the 1 mile radius of uptown whcih included other neighborhoods, not just SouthEnd and Uptown. That also inclueds my neighborhood of Wesley Heights for example..Raleigh has nowhere near that same density or people living in its core...
The 2022 State of the Center City Report found in the link below states that "The term Center City refers to the 2 mile ring or the neighborhoods within 2 miles of the Square Trade & Tryon"
The "Living" Section states there is 67,000 current residents in Center City (which as stated, is defined as the 2 mile radius from Trade/Tryon from their report). A 2 Mile radius = 12.57 Sq. Miles (If I'm not mistaken) which equals a population density of 5,330 PPSM which is a lower population density than downtown Raleigh.
Per the Report, there are 21,729 people that live in uptown which itself is 2.14 sq. miles (~10,300PPSM).
If this is Portland Oregon, a search shows there is a defined downtown district on the city website with ordinances and taxes. I don't know if the area Portland officials define as downtown is what locals consider downtown however.
Their "neighborhood" designation is only for limited purposes. It's also static, not reflective of growth over time. Zoning maps, development patterns, and neighborhood functionality for example tell a different story.
Downtown Oakland has one of the most virbant neighborhoods on the west coast outside of the bigger cities proper, Chinatown. The area has also seen a huge influx of very wealthy people over the past decade, 4 of these census tracts have their top 5% incomes now over $500,000, one tract over $750,000. The interesting thing is that others are considered very poor statistically, but they don't look that way at all in person. It's also a very racially and ethnically diverse area served by 3 BART stations, a bustling port, and really a lot of new construction recently completed, and a lot more housing on the way. Oddly, I don't think the homeless problem in downtown proper is as bad as it is in nearby areas.
The 2022 State of the Center City Report found in the link below states that "The term Center City refers to the 2 mile ring or the neighborhoods within 2 miles of the Square Trade & Tryon"
The "Living" Section states there is 67,000 current residents in Center City (which as stated, is defined as the 2 mile radius from Trade/Tryon from their report). A 2 Mile radius = 12.57 Sq. Miles (If I'm not mistaken) which equals a population density of 5,330 PPSM which is a lower population density than downtown Raleigh.
Per the Report, there are 21,729 people that live in uptown which itself is 2.14 sq. miles (~10,300PPSM).
A two mile radius is roughly 6.28 sq. miles in area giving Charlotte's core a density of ~10,660 PPSM. I'd be stunned if Raleigh has a higher population density than Charlotte in the same area.
A two mile radius is roughly 6.28 sq. miles in area giving Charlotte's core a density of ~10,660 PPSM. I'd be stunned if Raleigh has a higher population density than Charlotte in the same area.
Every source I see says a 2-mile radius is 12.57 sq. Miles & a 1–mile radius is 3.14 sq. Miles using the formula A=πr2
If the area of a 2 mile radius is 12.57, then Charlotte indeed has a 5,330 PPSM within a 2 mile radius of its center.
I don’t think it’s the 21,000 PPSM suggested by the other poster or 10,000 as suggest by you. But a whopping 5,300. Again, maybe I just am doing my math wrong…
which would be less than the population density of downtown Raleigh which in one source can be referenced as 18,000 people within a 1-mile radius.
My guess is Charlotte is 27,000 within a 1 mile radius of downtown giving it around 8,500 PPSM. Which I think is fairly accurate given SouthEnd and uptown combined are ~30,000 people and a lot of SouthEnd isn’t within the one mile radius and given there’s a rail yard, industrial area, commercial zone and community college campus within that 1 mile radius.
I don’t think it’s about Raleigh having a larger population density within its downtown. But that Raleigh isn’t that much of a laggard in reality.
Downtown Raleigh is 1.18 Sq Miles with a supposed population of 10,887 or about 9,266 ppsm. Charlotte’s Uptown is around 2 Sq. Miles with a population density less than 11,000 ppsm.
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Both have densities that fall outside of their core. Hence Charlottes 5,300 ppsm within a 2 mile radius.
And in any event, it’s a big difference between 20,000, 10,000 & 5,000 PPSM within a 2 mile radius so it’d be nice if someone could find that fact out.
Also want to point out that downtown Raleigh has NC State likely within a 2-mile radius. With over 9,000 dorms not including Greek housing etc. so I’m not sure Wilmore, Elizabeth, Villa Heights, Belmont etc are anymore dense than Raleigh’s hoods…
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Memphis is an odd one. I'm seeing population numbers elsewhere that range from 11k to 55k with everything in between.
I've always liked that Mud Island area which is part of downtown.
Kansas City's latest numbers show an increase from 24k to 28k.
If the area of a 2 mile radius is 12.57, then Charlotte indeed has a 5,330 PPSM within a 2 mile radius of its center.
I don’t think it’s the 21,000 PPSM suggested by the other poster or 10,000 as suggest by you. But a whopping 5,300. Again, maybe I just am doing my math wrong…
which would be less than the population density of downtown Raleigh which in one source can be referenced as 18,000 people within a 1-mile radius.
My guess is Charlotte is 27,000 within a 1 mile radius of downtown giving it around 8,500 PPSM. Which I think is fairly accurate given SouthEnd and uptown combined are ~30,000 people and a lot of SouthEnd isn’t within the one mile radius and given there’s a rail yard, industrial area, commercial zone and community college campus within that 1 mile radius.
I don’t think it’s about Raleigh having a larger population density within its downtown. But that Raleigh isn’t that much of a laggard in reality.
Downtown Raleigh is 1.18 Sq Miles with a supposed population of 10,887 or about 9,266 ppsm. Charlotte’s Uptown is around 2 Sq. Miles with a population density less than 11,000 ppsm.
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Both have densities that fall outside of their core. Hence Charlottes 5,300 ppsm within a 2 mile radius.
And in any event, it’s a big difference between 20,000, 10,000 & 5,000 PPSM within a 2 mile radius so it’d be nice if someone could find that fact out.
Also want to point out that downtown Raleigh has NC State likely within a 2-mile radius. With over 9,000 dorms not including Greek housing etc. so I’m not sure Wilmore, Elizabeth, Villa Heights, Belmont etc are anymore dense than Raleigh’s hoods…
Downtown Raleigh as defined by the Downtown Raleigh Alliance, is 1.47 mi², pop 12,169, ~8278 ppmi²...
My personal opinion is downtown stretches slightly further east and south than DRA defines, I have DTRgh as around ~1.6 mi², pop 12,621, ~7888 ppmi². But DRA's geography and demos of downtown is close enough to mine that I'm not up in arms about it, I just think DTRgh is a little larger than they do...
I once saw something that I'm having trouble finding now, that listed Center City Charlotte as having ~37,000 within ~5 mi², density of ~7400. My guess is this isn't too far off in accuracy, just based off the on-the-ground feel, and I would say DTR and Center City Charlotte are off pretty comparable density...
Raleigh and Charlotte as cities are a lot more similar to each other in general, than people on here make them out to be...
Raleigh's density and neighborhood character surrounding Downtown drops off steeply once you leave downtown in every direction, except going west. Going west on Hillsborough, and Hillsborough adjacent hoods, there is a maintenance of Downtown density, to a gradual dropoff, until you get beyond NCSU. The neighborhoods surrounding downtowns of both Rgh and Clt are largely comparable, with the exceptions that there isn't a South End or even a Midtown directly adjacent to DTRgh. Neighborhoods like Elizabeth and Wilmore have comps in Rgh (Mordecai, Cameron Park/Village, Boylan)...
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