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View Poll Results: Northern Cities vs. Southern Cities Google Streetview Urban Change Battle
Northern Team: Boston, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Washington D.C. 23 67.65%
Southern Team: Charlotte, Atlanta, Miami, Houston, Dallas 11 32.35%
Voters: 34. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-25-2022, 01:08 PM
 
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Pittsburgh's North Shore

2007

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4458...!7i3328!8i1664

2022

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4459...7i16384!8i8192


Pittsburgh's Lawrenceville - Mostly infill

2008

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4675...7i13312!8i6656

2022

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4675...7i16384!8i8192

2007

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4628...!7i3328!8i1664

2022

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4627...7i16384!8i8192

2007

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4625...!7i3328!8i1664

2022

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.4625...7i16384!8i8192
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Old 08-25-2022, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Originally Posted by masssachoicetts View Post
In the images I put on

Seaport Square, Boston
Kendall Square, Cambridge
West End, Boston
Fenway, Boston
South End, Boston
Somerville, MA
Everett, MA
Chinatown
The Back Bay
East Boston

All of these are official neighborhoods in Boston or cities/municipalities outside of the City of Boston
Thanks!


Seaport Square, Boston = +1 point
Kendall Square, Cambridge = Outside City limits (see rules)
West End, Boston = Existed already (looks like infill, see rules)
Fenway, Boston = +1 point
South End, Boston = +1 point

Somerville, MA = Outside City limits (see rules)
Everett, MA = Outside City limits (see rules)
Chinatown = Existed already (looks like infill, see rules)
The Back Bay = Existed already (looks like infill, see rules)
East Boston (Eastie) = Not downtown level urban development (see rules)


Boston = 3 points


North Team = 11 Points
South Team = 0 Points


Please remember, we are looking for neighborhoods that have downtown level development within city limits.
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Old 08-25-2022, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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The last decade can be labeled as the "return to the city" with cities all over America seeing a ton of development. This thread is a contest to see which regions collectively experienced the most change in city limits measured by the number of neighborhoods that experienced substantial increases in their urbanity meaning mid-rises, high-rises, skyscrapers.

So many cities around America have new neighborhoods that were not considered urban before 2010 and some neighborhoods barely existed before 2010. Here is the criteria below. To be fair, NYC is not included because it could win this alone. It's just too big.


Cities

Northern City Team
Boston, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Washington D.C.

Southern City Team
Charlotte, Atlanta, Miami, Dallas, Houston


Google Streetview Rules

1. Choose as many neighborhoods in the city limits as possible with significant urban development changes that took place between 2007-2008 to now in 2022 showing how the neighborhoods have changed.

2. Post the google streetview from 2007-2008 and the most current google streetview.

3. Label each neighborhood posted so we can keep count.


Criteria

1. Only choose neighborhoods in city limits.

2. Only choose neighborhoods that experienced downtown urban level development. Places that may have been parking lots or under developed lots that now have mixed-use with mid-rise, high-rise, or skyscrapers.



Ranking/Points

Each "Different" neighborhood in each city that can display significant change counts as 1 point. An example of what constitutes a neighborhood is below:

1. Boston = Seaport is 1, Northend is 1, Chinatown is 1

2. Miami = Brickell is 1, Wynwood is 1, Overtown is 1


Let the battle begin!
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Old 08-25-2022, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Atlanta
O4W
2007- https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7684...!7i3328!8i1664
2022- https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7685...7i16384!8i8192
West Midtown
2007- https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7856...!7i3328!8i1664
2022- https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7856...7i16384!8i8192
Buckhead Hights
2007-https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8494...!7i3328!8i1664
2021- https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8494...7i16384!8i8192
Midtown is clearly the mid-high rise leader in the city for the 2010s but I don't know if it'd fit the rules of the thread since it was already partially developed.
Is West Midtown a neighborhood within Midtown? Midtown is pretty big so I'm sure it has neighborhoods within right? If so, it will count as a point.

O4W = 1 point
West Midtown = 1 Point
Buckhead Heights = 1 Point

Atlanta = 3 points


North Team = 11 Points
South Team = 3 Points
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Old 08-25-2022, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Originally Posted by MDAllstar View Post
Thanks!


Seaport Square, Boston = +1 point
Kendall Square, Cambridge = Outside City limits (see rules)
West End, Boston = Existed already (looks like infill, see rules)
Fenway, Boston = +1 point
South End, Boston = +1 point

Somerville, MA = Outside City limits (see rules)
Everett, MA = Outside City limits (see rules)
Chinatown = Existed already (looks like infill, see rules)
The Back Bay = Existed already (looks like infill, see rules)
East Boston (Eastie) = Not downtown level urban development (see rules)


Boston = 3 points


North Team = 11 Points
South Team = 0 Points


Please remember, we are looking for neighborhoods that have downtown level development within city limits.
2. Only choose neighborhoods that experienced downtown urban level development. Places that may have been parking lots or underdeveloped lots that now have mixed-use with mid-rise, high-rise, or skyscrapers.

This criterion fits the Midrise Criteria for East Boston,

The Parking lot and High rise criteria fit for Chinatown

How are you excluding infill when the criteria specifically target infill?

As an aside I think neighborhood transformation is a little more interesting and will differentiate cities more. Whats your reason for not wanting that too unwieldy/too many exmaples? I could see that..
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Old 08-25-2022, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Please see below:

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Originally Posted by MDAllstar View Post
The last decade can be labeled as the "return to the city" with cities all over America seeing a ton of development. This thread is a contest to see which regions collectively experienced the most change in city limits measured by the number of neighborhoods that experienced substantial increases in their urbanity meaning mid-rises, high-rises, skyscrapers.

So many cities around America have new neighborhoods that were not considered urban before 2010 and some neighborhoods barely existed before 2010. Here is the criteria below. To be fair, NYC is not included because it could win this alone. It's just too big.


Cities

Northern City Team
Boston, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Washington D.C.

Southern City Team
Charlotte, Atlanta, Miami, Dallas, Houston


Google Streetview Rules

1. Choose as many neighborhoods in the city limits as possible with significant urban development changes that took place between 2007-2008 to now in 2022 showing how the neighborhoods have changed.

2. Post the google streetview from 2007-2008 and the most current google streetview.

3. Label each neighborhood posted so we can keep count.


Criteria

1. Only choose neighborhoods in city limits.

2. Only choose neighborhoods that experienced downtown urban level development. Places that may have been parking lots or under developed lots that now have mixed-use with mid-rise, high-rise, or skyscrapers.



Ranking/Points

Each "Different" neighborhood in each city that can display significant change counts as 1 point. An example of what constitutes a neighborhood is below:

1. Boston = Seaport is 1, Northend is 1, Chinatown is 1

2. Miami = Brickell is 1, Wynwood is 1, Overtown is 1


Let the battle begin!
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Old 08-25-2022, 01:30 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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2. Only choose neighborhoods that experienced downtown urban level development. Places that may have been parking lots or underdeveloped lots that now have mixed-use with mid-rise, high-rise, or skyscrapers.

This criterion fits the Midrise Criteria for East Boston,

The Parking lot and High rise criteria fit for Chinatown

How are you excluding infill when the criteria specifically target infill?

As an aside I think neighborhood transformation is a little more interesting and will differentiate cities more. Whats your reason for not wanting that too unwieldy/too many exmaples? I could see that..
Which links are you talking about? It wasn't infill? Could you please post the neighborhoods so I can take another look? And yes, infill would be wayyyyyy to many examples.
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Old 08-25-2022, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C.
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Pittsburgh's Bloomfield Little Italy = Existed already (looks like infill, see rules)
Pittsburgh's East Liberty = +1 point

Pittsburgh = 1 points


North Team = 12 Points
South Team = 3 Points
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Old 08-25-2022, 02:05 PM
 
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Pittsburgh's Bloomfield Little Italy = Existed already (looks like infill, see rules)
Pittsburgh's East Liberty = +1 point

Pittsburgh = 1 points


North Team = 12 Points
South Team = 3 Points
That section of Bloomfield was filled with auto dealer lots. The intersection shown was filled with cars and very old auto dealer warehouses from the 1920's or 30's. This area was previously a auto centric dead zone
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Old 08-25-2022, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Which links are you talking about? It wasn't infill? Could you please post the neighborhoods so I can take another look? And yes, infill would be wayyyyyy to many examples.
I just did that in the post you quoted.

Your second criteria: Only choose neighborhoods that experienced downtown urban level development. Places that may have been parking lots or under developed lots that now have mixed-use with mid-rise, high-rise, or skyscrapers. meets the definition of infill development to a tee. “ Infill development refers to the construction of buildings or other facilities on previously unused or underutilized land located within an existing urban–or otherwise developed–area. This type of development is meant to encourage density and accommodate environmentally sustainable urban growth by making use of existing utility and transportation infrastructure. Infill can mean development on vacant or formerly industrial land, such as former railyards, military bases, or parking lots” https://www.planetizen.com/definitio...ll-development


So you can’t exclude infill.

Therefore you’d have to count East Boston and Chinatown as points.
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