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For DC why is it hard to just consider it Mid Atlantic. Traveling 95 north from the south DC, Maryland feels like you officially are out of the south. Traveling from 95 north it feels once you reach DC, any further your headed to the south. Its not 100% northern or 100% southern.
I would consider DC a 100% northern city and I'm from VA, while the mason Dixon line is further North that doesn't mean much. DC never sided with the South, Maryland didn't secede either and neither was concur by the South. The mason Dixon line wasn't a thing until slavery became an issue during the 1800s. So trying to make a city southern because it sits below the mason Dixon line doesn't really hold weight now it's 2022. Honestly speaking both Baltimore & DC are northern and any southerner knows it the moment they enter those cities. Hell even a city like Richmond which is the confederate capital is very much influenced by it's closeness to the north. You'll be hard-pressed to find a true large southern city even in Virginia a state considered southern. So how could DC or Baltimore be southern and both cities sit further north than VA. They are both 100% northern cities, what southern cities have snow emergency routes?
It takes a whole lot to be Northern than simply not being Southern.
But just as you see DC not being Southern as someone who's farther south, there are plenty of folks farther north than DC that don't really see it as Northern. There's a degree of exclusion on both sides.
Northern City Team
Boston, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Washington D.C.
Southern City Team
Charlotte, Atlanta, Miami, Dallas, Houston
Next time please just say "East Coast vs Sunbelt" or "Mid-Atlantic/Northeast vs Sunbelt" okay? That wouldn't totally eliminate the side discussions that derail these threads but it would greatly reduce them.
Next time please just say "East Coast vs Sunbelt" or "Mid-Atlantic/Northeast vs Sunbelt" okay? That wouldn't totally eliminate the side discussions that derail these threads but it would greatly reduce them.
2. Only choose neighborhoods that experienced downtown urban level development. Places that may have been parking lots or under developed lots that now have mixed-use with mid-rise, high-rise, or skyscrapers.
Market East, Philadelphia fits this description well. The neighborhood has been a giant construction site for years now. Parking Garages, Fast Food restaurants, Single Story Retail strips have all been removed around the neighborhood for a variety of uses.
It's kind of hard to capture on Google Maps the change, but the river fronts of the Fitler and Logan Square neighborhoods have been dramatically improved with new towers and a much nicer river trail.
I do agree that University City is large enough to have sub neighborhoods. That area around Market St. feels different than the Health Services/Hospitals area near the University City train station. That area has gone from parking lots to being very built up with more to come.
All over midtown, west midtown, and Old Fourth Ward as well but those are large neighborhoods but you can look at many spots in midtown where there would be a surface parking lot in 2007/2008 and now there's a highrise building.
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