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I mean you’re going to struggle to find true edge cities outside the sunbelt just because the people where there before commuting was viable.
But Lowell, MA or McKeesport PA would not exist without the financing and industry based in Boston/Pittsburgh even if they didn’t start out as suburbs
Historically no, but that's also a no for more obscure cities like Wilmington, Pasadena, or Anaheim.
Today, yes. You go there and it feels like an L.A. suburb.
Long Beach had a population of 142,032 in 1930. Would you say it was a suburb of LA at that point? That is pretty large for 1930 across America. It has a major port which has been in operation for more than a century established in 1911.
Long Beach had a population of 142,032 in 1930. Would you say it was a suburb of LA at that point? That is pretty large for 1930 across America. It has a major port which has been in operation for more than a century established in 1911.
Yes, because there is really no point in history where Long Beach's population exceeded much more than 1/10th that of Los Angeles. At one very brief point in history, there was an array of southern California cities that could have been seen as competing cities to Los Angeles. How Los Angeles ultimately consolidated so much influence and power is a story 100X as complex as the story of the big northeast cities.
I've heard about the port of Long Beach. If we're going to disqualify them from being an L.A. suburb for that reason, then places like Culver City, Pasadena, and Beverly Hills would have to go also I suppose.
Not my fault that the average L.A. suburb has more influence than the average major city in other parts of the country.
So, I think people making the LA selections need to read this below:
California has so many secondary cities surrounding LA that would exist without LA the selection for LA may be difficult. Maybe think much smaller without a pull?
For LA, I'd say it could be Irvine, Santa Clarita, Thousand Oaks, or Corona. All clear suburbs.
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This is actually something I wanted to inquire about. How's the reverse commuting in the SF Bay Area? The SF to SJ traffic is it more or less, or equal than the opposite direction? Also how about compared to East Bay?
The reverse commute in the DC area had really began to pick up pre-pandemic prior to telework, with people living in DC commuting to the NOVA tech corridor, and Arlington. But predominantly in this area traffic moves from outside the Beltway, inside for their morning commute, and reverse in the evenings. It would be interesting to compare differences.
The Inner Bay Area traffic was pretty heavy volume in all directions pre-pandy. But most of the traffic is really people living in the East Bay making it over to somewhere along the Peninsula, whether that be SF or the Silicon Valley and all points in between. If you work in the east bay then you typically lived there since housing was cheaper, so not as much traffic "reverse" commuting that way.
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Long Beach had a population of 142,032 in 1930. Would you say it was a suburb of LA at that point? That is pretty large for 1930 across America. It has a major port which has been in operation for more than a century established in 1911.
I wouldn't say it was a suburb. If you look at the history of Long Beach it really started out as its own independent city and people who lived there worked nearby at the ports or one of the military installations. Long Beach is like Pasadena, Santa Monica, or Pomona. These LA County cities were never suburbs in the likes of places such as Torrance, Compton, South Gate, Lakewood, or Glendora.
If anything, Long Beach kind of spawned its own suburbs like Cerritos and Hawaiian Gardens, and also has a clear gravity influence for that part of LA County and northern Orange County.
Tacoma might fit the bill here. It's part of the Seattle MSA, about 34mi from downtown to downtown. Commuter rail does run between the two. Decent food scene, some really nice walkable areas, sizeable outpost of UW/WSU etc. Expanding light rail within the core.
Based on the criterea no. Tacoma would exist without Seattle (They were incorperated as cities around the same time and competed with eachother to be the big player of the region) It would fall in the same category of Long Beach, Oakland, St. Paul, Ft Lauderdale, Ft Worth etc.
Bellevue is a good contender but not that far from Seattle.
Yes, because there is really no point in history where Long Beach's population exceeded much more than 1/10th that of Los Angeles. At one very brief point in history, there was an array of southern California cities that could have been seen as competing cities to Los Angeles. How Los Angeles ultimately consolidated so much influence and power is a story 100X as complex as the story of the big northeast cities.
I've heard about the port of Long Beach. If we're going to disqualify them from being an L.A. suburb for that reason, then places like Culver City, Pasadena, and Beverly Hills would have to go also I suppose.
Not my fault that the average L.A. suburb has more influence than the average major city in other parts of the country.
I don't think that is the case. I think most people aren't including secondary cities. Most cities have secondary cities far more important than any city in LA like Arlington, VA, Newark, NJ, St. Paul, MN, Oakland, CA etc.
I think Irvine, CA would be a better selection. It had a population of 10,081 in 1970 and now has a population of 307,670 people. It is also the last large city headed out of the LA metro area.
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