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It is simple logic not an excuse. Suburbs are not as liberal as cores. Simple common sense. That's why we go by metros not city limits. It is also widwly known that in any metro the entire metro is never on one accord. So it's not as easy as they could get it passed if they wanted too. Not on that big a scale when far flung Republicans in kingwood or Clear Lake have the same say as the people around Downtown.
It’s not like these laws and ordinances are voted on by the public at large. It’s the city councils that are making cities better for the community. If Houston wanted to do better, it would. Regardless of the demographics, the reality is that Houston doesn’t have some of the protections of other cities making it not a great place for the LGBTQ community.
....the reality is that Houston doesn’t have some of the protections of other cities making it not a great place for the LGBTQ community.
The Black lesbian mecca that's coming off a lesbian mayor isn't a great place for the LGBTQ+ community....?
Could Houston do better legislatively...? Perhaps, but let's not overreact to what we see on paper cuz it doesn't seem to reflect the reality on the ground.
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It’s not like these laws and ordinances are voted on by the public at large. It’s the city councils that are making cities better for the community. If Houston wanted to do better, it would. Regardless of the demographics, the reality is that Houston doesn’t have some of the protections of other cities making it not a great place for the LGBTQ community.
They did. When Dallas, San Antonio, etc. passed these, they were not forced to put it to the voters:
Here is the deal: Houston is NOT a hostile place for LGBTQ people. In practice, the LGBTQ community is thriving here. There was a gay mayor for two terms.
However, Houston also doesn't try to do much of anything in these regards. Houston is a very hands off/libertarian place. That means a reluctance towards a variety of policies.
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Here is the deal: Houston is NOT a hostile place for LGBTQ people. In practice, the LGBTQ community is thriving here. There was a gay mayor for two terms.
However, Houston also doesn't try to do much of anything in these regards. Houston is a very hands off/libertarian place. That means a reluctance towards a variety of policies.
Agree with this. and yes, we did vote on it here in Dallas in the past. The LGBTQIA+ community is also much more visible than in Houston and that helps as well.
People put too much into these dumb lists. Most often how it plays out on the ground is way different. People here honestly thinking El Paso or OKC are more open and accepting of gays than Houston because of this list. Houston, the largest city in the US to elect an openly gay/lesbian mayor, home to a thriving gayborhood that spawned events that were copied in other cities, etc., is a pretty open and accepting place regardless of what this list says
You can pass all the fluff laws you want. Doesnt mean all will abide or not try finding ways around it. A better list would be a survey done for that community on how comfortable they feel where they live, then rank that way based on responses. Not this.
I tend to map my native Missouri and my adopted Pennsylvania onto each other, for while there are some noteworthy differences, there are also many similarities.
One of these: Both of the largest cities in both states scored 100.
I was quite surprised, though, to see Independence scoring a dismal 25.
That points to one of the big differences. So do the scores for the other sizable cities in both states (*state capital):
Missouri (Cape Girardeau and Independence appear on the list of shame upthread)
Columbia 100
Jefferson City* 57
Springfield they linked to the wrong Springfield; I would expect it to score no higher than Independence
St. Charles 60
Not graded but should have been: St. Joseph, Rolla. I would expect neither city to score above 50.
Pennsylvania
Allentown 94
Carlisle 90
Erie 100
Harrisburg* 71
New Hope 81 (this is also surprising, for this Bucks County town has long been a popular LGBT playground)
Reading 91
State College 100
Wilkes-Barre 70
Not graded but should have been: Bethlehem, Easton, Lancaster, Scranton, York. I'd be surprised if Lancaster, which is as liberal as its county is conservative, didn't score at least a 90; I'd expect Scranton to score about the same as nearby Wilkes-Barre.
And if you look at the county-by-county Presidential election returns, you will find that aside from four county equivalents – Boone (Columbia), Jackson (oldest part of Kansas City but also Independence), St. Louis County, St. Louis City – the rest of Missouri is bright red, while there are blue splotches in several places in Pennsylvania aside from the Southeast (Greater Philadephia – five counties) and Allegheny County (Pittsburgh); one of those blue splotches includes the county containing State College (Centre) and the one where Harrisburg is located (Dauphin) while another includes Scranton (Lackawanna County). I think this too goes a ways towards explaining the difference in scores between Missouri and Pennsylvania cities overall.
I tend to map my native Missouri and my adopted Pennsylvania onto each other, for while there are some noteworthy differences, there are also many similarities.
One of these: Both of the largest cities in both states scored 100.
I was quite surprised, though, to see Independence scoring a dismal 25.
That points to one of the big differences. So do the scores for the other sizable cities in both states (*state capital):
Missouri (Cape Girardeau and Independence appear on the list of shame upthread)
Columbia 100
Jefferson City* 57
Springfield they linked to the wrong Springfield; I would expect it to score no higher than Independence
St. Charles 60
Not graded but should have been: St. Joseph, Rolla. I would expect neither city to score above 50.
Pennsylvania
Allentown 94
Carlisle 90
Erie 100
Harrisburg* 71
New Hope 81 (this is also surprising, for this Bucks County town has long been a popular LGBT playground)
Reading 91
State College 100
Wilkes-Barre 70
Not graded but should have been: Bethlehem, Easton, Lancaster, Scranton, York. I'd be surprised if Lancaster, which is as liberal as its county is conservative, didn't score at least a 90; I'd expect Scranton to score about the same as nearby Wilkes-Barre.
And if you look at the county-by-county Presidential election returns, you will find that aside from four county equivalents – Boone (Columbia), Jackson (oldest part of Kansas City but also Independence), St. Louis County, St. Louis City – the rest of Missouri is bright red, while there are blue splotches in several places in Pennsylvania aside from the Southeast (Greater Philadephia – five counties) and Allegheny County (Pittsburgh); one of those blue splotches includes the county containing State College (Centre) and the one where Harrisburg is located (Dauphin) while another includes Scranton (Lackawanna County). I think this too goes a ways towards explaining the difference in scores between Missouri and Pennsylvania cities overall.
I'm not surprised Pittsburgh scored 100. We're a very LGBTQ+ friendly city.
I'm also not surprised my native Wilkes-Barre scored the lowest in Pennsylvania, as it still feels 30 years behind the times whenever I go "home" to visit family and friends. Hopefully the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre MSA can enter the 21st Century soon.
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