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Boston has that sophisticated/uptight/provincial feel about it so stuff like artist appreciation, cultural amenities, nightlife, creativity and hipster/artistic influences are so minimalized that when they do come, its considered 'trashy'. In 2017, A Taco Bell and Insomnia Cookies in Downtown Crossing was planning on staying open till 2-3am, and received so much backlash it wasn't even funny. It closes at 11pm-12am now. I wish Boston would shake this.
Like yes, Boston has many book stores, art venues and painting stores. But that's more or less catered to rich old white folk. Montreal and NYC do better to appeal to a broader range of people outside of the elite when it comes to art. I recently saw a young tik toker who moved to Boston and described it as "the city you go to when you want to taste some wine and admire old European art, then be in bed by 8pm". And that is so accurate. Montreal kills it in this section and NYC is very similar to them in that regard. Boston is way too tense and loses big points on that creativity piece, and always has.
If the other options were Brooklyn (alone) and Philadelphia, Montreal would be a closer match than NYC or Boston, in entirety.
I meant here that Boston lacks depth (as previously mentioned) that Montreal + NYC have in terms of creativity and originality. Yeah, Boston is innovative, more-so than NYC and Montreal combined. But Boston, even in Dorchester/Mattapan/JP, seem more sterile than the other two.
I didn't and never have called Boston boring. I am critical on Boston, but its because I want Boston to evolve.
But hey, Boston has a consistent upward trajectory while other cities (Including NYC) have cycles of highs and lows. So whatever works for them. They are doing something right.
I'm not here to down Montreal at all I'm just saying:
is Montreal actually more blue collar or is it actually a better-educated populace with more disposable income and affordability that is fashionable and enjoys a blue-collar aesthetic and has a more permissive alcohol and nightlife culture?
What is the truth and where is the data behind that.
Yeah, I know that Boston certainly has a big blue collar contingent, both in the city and the metro.
I meant here that Boston lacks depth (as previously mentioned) that Montreal + NYC have in terms of creativity and originality. Yeah, Boston is innovative, more-so than NYC and Montreal combined. But Boston, even in Dorchester/Mattapan/JP, seem more sterile than the other two.
I didn't and never have called Boston boring. I am critical on Boston, but its because I want Boston to evolve.
But hey, Boston has a consistent upward trajectory while other cities (Including NYC) have cycles of highs and lows. So whatever works for them. They are doing something right.
The Boston Licensing Board today approved a proposal by El Jefe's Taqueria to extend the closing time at its Emerson location, at Boylston and Tremont streets, to 2 a.m.
The proposal had the backing of both the Midtown-Park Plaza Neighborhood Association and City Councilor Ed Flynn, two years after both had opposed witching-hour tacos there.
In January, the board voted to let an El Jefe outlet near Boston University stay open until 1 a.m.; El Jefe owner John Schall had requested 4 a.m. Last month, the board voted for a 2 a.m. closing time for a Seaport dosa place.
Board approves warm cookies up to 3 a.m. in downtown Boston
By adamg on Fri, 05/31/2019 - 11:35am
The Boston Licensing Board yesterday approved plans by Insomnia Cookies to open a warm-cookie storefront on Bromfield Street that would be open until 3 a.m. to serve downtown college students and long-term residents looking for a break from pizza and Chinese food in the witching hour.
I think it was approved for 3am but for whatever reason closes at 1 am. A back bay lcoation is open until 3 am...
But the expense is a big reason why. brighton Ihop was open 24/7 but it went from full service to take out and delivery. Probably becaus eits expensive and hard to staff that overnight shift, and the public transporation isnt great.
The UniversalHub guy is origianlly from NYC he call Boston the City that Always Sleeps.
Yeah, I know that Boston certainly has a big blue collar contingent, both in the city and the metro.
Right..a pretty notable one at that. It didn't disappear its just not in the places it once was.
Its more so the expense of Central Boston- how many blue-collar people feel comfortable there and can afford it comfortably and consistently.
I'll tell you what Vincents is plenty blue collar and it's a really really racially diverse mix of immigrants, townies, 2nd gen folks, and gentrified out people. Id say the same about Blarney Stone or District 7 Tavern and CERTAINLY about Dublin House. It's just all those places are far from downtown though, in some cases quite far.
One difference in Boston is neighborhood bars and dives tend to close at 12 am (Blarney Stone) or 1 am (District 7) as opposed to 2 am (not a rule- Croke Park in Sout Boston closes at 2am) That is somewhat sleepy for sure.
Idk it seems like Cambridge and Somerville have omre 2am spots and more late night food options.
Right..a pretty notable one at that. It didn't disappear its just not in the places it once was.
Its more so the expense of Central Boston- how many blue-collar people feel comfortable there and can afford it comfortably and consistently.
I'll tell you what Vincents is plenty blue collar and it's a really really racially diverse mix of immigrants, townies, 2nd gen folks, and gentrified out people. Id say the same about Blarney Stone or District 7 Tavern and CERTAINLY about Dublin House. It's just all those places are far from downtown though, in some cases quite far.
One difference in Boston is neighborhood bars and dives tend to close at 12 am (Blarney Stone) or 1 am (District 7) as opposed to 2 am (not a rule- Croke Park in Sout Boston closes at 2am) That is somewhat sleepy for sure.
Idk it seems like Cambridge and Somerville have omre 2am spots and more late night food options.
what would be your spots of choice in Boston for a group of people (Mixed, mostly Caribbean) looking for a good time in the city?
But actual proof or data though. How are you measuring that? Occupation, Income or Education? Is there a difference between the city and the suburbs? Is it a bleu collar aesthetic and vibe or is the city actually more blue collar. Plenty of people in Boston go to community colleges and small private colleges that don't graduate kids. Is Montreal blue collar or is it just more affordable? Asking because I have never been. From what I gather more people in Montreal have been college/university educated than in Boston...
Mount Ida, Pine Manor, Lasell, MassBay, Eastern Nazarene, Cambridge College, Bunker Hill, Roxbury Community College, Urban College of Boston etc etc.. not trying to be diffuclt but how would you really measure that?
I do think its valid in saying that blue-collar people in MTL probably have more disposable income than a BS grad or Lynn English Grad who did 1 semester or two at Fisher College...But does that make a place less blue collar. Tons of bleu collar police and construction guy, union guys in Boston- but I think theyre more apt to stay in their suburban town or go to Vincents in Randolph than go to Downtown Boston which defintiely does have a swankier feel.
Ive been to Madrid in Europe for a 17 hour layover- that's it. I wouldn't describe it as blue-collar so much as I would "accessible". Like it didn't strike me as gritty but it did feel a little 'underpoliced' and economically diverse. But this was during the day time..
Not going to do a statistical study (you're gonna have to trust me) but about one-third of adults over 25 in Montreal have university degrees, compared to close to half in Boston. The other major Canadian cities are in the upper 30s and lower 40s in %.
One thing that favours Montreal-NYC and that hasn't been mentioned is that Montreal is the NYC and LA of Quebec and French Canada all rolled into one.
This means that all of our non-governmental organizations and institutions are based there, including anything that's related to culture or entertainment.
Montreal is where all of our red-carpet movie premieres happen, where album release parties take place, where book launches happen. It's where our national newscasts come from, where our national radio and TV networks are based, where our talk shows and game shows are made, where the sportscasts come from, where basically all our magazines are published.
And at least in this part of the world, this isn't a minority or fringe culture. It constitutes a "mainstream".
what would be your spots of choice in Boston for a group of people (Mixed, mostly Caribbean) looking for a good time in the city?
Estella, Sidebar, Jillian’s, Versus ,Icon, Bijou, Good Life, anywhere in the prudential center, MIDA, South Bay/Pearl/Dorchester Brewery/m&M, TopMix, Legal Seafood, Encore, Central Square, Royale, HAVA, The Garage/Allston in general, Wally’s.
There are more places but they’re deeper in the city or suburbs. I don’t think it’s common but I’ve seen it is possible. It’s it there especially in the southern edge of the city and inner southern burbs.
The biggest cross section you will see is late night eats in Chinatown… really every walk of life EXCEPT the young yuppie type ….
You have to have white people that aren’t afraid to be around POC, and POC willing to try new places in different parts of the city. That’s not everybody and sometimes two social circles just don’t click, anecdotally.
Estella, Sidebar, Jillian’s, Versus ,Icon, Bijou, Good Life, anywhere in the prudential center, MIDA, South Bay/Pearl/Dorchester Brewery/m&M, TopMix, Legal Seafood, Encore, Central Square, Royale, HAVA, The Garage/Allston in general, Wally’s.
There are more places but they’re deeper in the city or suburbs. I don’t think it’s common but I’ve seen it is possible. It’s it there especially in the southern edge of the city and inner southern burbs.
The biggest cross section you will see is late night eats in Chinatown… really every walk of life EXCEPT the young yuppie type ….
You have to have white people that aren’t afraid to be around POC, and POC willing to try new places in different parts of the city. That’s not everybody and sometimes two social circles just don’t click, anecdotally.
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