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compared to Boston and NYC these immigrants here are suburban, well educated and come from Africa and Asia (with the exception of Salvadorans).
Totally different vibe. When you look at living standards you’ll see Boston is not in the top 25 at all
The only immigrants that aren't suburban is are the Hispanics who live in Southeast Baltimore. There's a large Korean population in Western Baltimore County throught Howard County, and a growing Middle Eastern enclave in Woodlawn.
The only immigrants that aren't suburban is are the Hispanics who live in Southeast Baltimore. There's a large Korean population in Western Baltimore County throught Howard County, and a growing Middle Eastern enclave in Woodlawn.
Yea i live there.
It's strange how immigration is so different here than where him form where immigrants are much lower income (relative to natives), and much more urban. The SE Baltimore situation is the norm. I just wonder how that happens if there so many control factors in the US immigration process.
You'd think Immigrants would be more consistent in their lifestyle from state to state as a screened and selected population but its clearly not the case.
Many of our immigrants here in Pittsburgh are educated and industrious, too. We are fortunate.
I saw some numbers where while the immigrants population in Pittsburgh MSA is small (It's <5% of total population), something like 50% of them are very recent to the area and are from Asia (did not mention which part, though) and 35% are from Europe, 15% Hispanics. That favored "where immigrant do well" demographics...
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Yea i live there.
It's strange how immigration is so different here than where him form where immigrants are much lower income (relative to natives), and much more urban. The SE Baltimore situation is the norm. I just wonder how that happens if there so many control factors in the US immigration process.
You'd think Immigrants would be more consistent in their lifestyle from state to state as a screened and selected population but its clearly not the case.
The Korean population wasn't always in Catonsville/Ellicott City, though...they started off around Station North / Charles Village area only to move to the suburbs around the 1980s or so. You can still see some remnant of Korean businesses in that area like this: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3121...7i16384!8i8192
But the main businesses are definitely now along Route 40. Not just Korean (although the area is "Koreatown") but also Chinese and Indian business serving the (likely) immigrant professionals that lives in Howard County.
East Asian immigration is definitely different nowaday - the older generation of immigrants were definitely not as wealthy and are more working class - you still see them in SF or NYC. The 2nd wave (1980s-1990s) they're already wealthier and were already living in suburbs.
Take Chinatowns, for example, suburban Chinatowns start to grow in 1980s (i.e. San Gabriel Valley in LA), grew even further in 1990s and on...only for additional Chinatowns to form (i.e. the "suburban" Chinatown in Houston is in Bellaire Blvd, but there are additional Asian businesses in Sugar Land b/c that's where the people live).
compared to Boston and NYC these immigrants here are suburban, well educated and come from Africa and Asia (with the exception of Salvadorans).
Totally different vibe. When you look at living standards you’ll see Boston is not in the top 25 at all
Yeah, and I think Howard County is a major for Baltimore. It has quietly become one of the more affluent counties in the nation, and has a healthy immigrant population with very high QOL metrics. I think it’s location is a key because it’s close (but not directly bordering Baltimore or DC), so while it’s convenient to those cities, it doesn’t have to deal with a lot of the downfalls that some counties do that are directly bordering a major city (crowding, sometimes increasing crime, etc). I think that is why immigrants find it attractive (nice schools, homes, low crime, not too crowded).
A Salvadoran recently told me DC Salvadorans have the reputation for being well educated in comparison to Texas and California Salvadorans. Do you think this is false?
This may be true in DC's suburbs but I doubt this is true within DC proper. I live in one of the more Hispanic areas of DC and a substantial amount of Salvadorans lack hs/college degrees.
I saw some numbers where while the immigrants population in Pittsburgh MSA is small (It's <5% of total population), something like 50% of them are very recent to the area and are from Asia (did not mention which part, though) and 35% are from Europe, 15% Hispanics.
According to this site, Pittsburgh's foreign born pop is about 14% including those who are not citizens. 4.4% from Asia, 1.6% from Europe, 1.3% from Latin America
According to this site, Pittsburgh's foreign born pop is about 14% including those who are not citizens. 4.4% from Asia, 1.6% from Europe, 1.3% from Latin America
It's 8.6% of Pittsburgh (city) and 4.1% of Pittsburgh MSA...
My number is still correct - 4.1% of Pittsburgh MSA (2% [so ~50% of foreign born] from Asia, 0.9% [so ~22% of foreign born] from Europe, and 0.6% [so ~15% of foreign born] from LatAm).
I feel like this is a misleading article. It’s really about where immigrants who have already thrived their entire lives in their home countries go on to thrive even more. And then thrive on to oblivion.
Seems very tone deaf to the overall immigrant experience in this country and I daresay tone deaf to the lived experience of most of this country immigrant or not. Elitism - a recurrent theme it seems.
Edited to add: I’d be more interested in hearing stories about more immigrants to these cities from less fortunate backgrounds and their experiences living in some of the most expensive, exclusive and unequal areas of the nation. Maybe I’ll write to NPR
I don't know about the homeless population in Baltimore, but I do know that San Jose and San Francisco both have very high numbers of homeless. I watched a video on the homeless in San Jose, and was pretty surprised by it. Everyone knows of San Francisco's problem, as that's common knowledge. I'll have to read how these immigrants are thriving, when so many live on the streets.
Most of the visible homeless in Seattle are white American-born drug addicts, the vast majority of whom aren't from Washington state or the PNW.
You might want to check your assumptions about immigrants and how they might thrive. There are plenty of immigrants in this country who are thriving despite coming from less fortunate backgrounds.
It's also ridiculous and incredibly offensive to come to the conclusion of "I see drug addicted homeless on the streets of SF so therefore I'm puzzled how immigrants in SF can thrive."
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I feel like this is a misleading article. It’s really about where immigrants who have already thrived their entire lives in their home countries go on to thrive even more. And then thrive on to oblivion.
Seems very tone deaf to the overall immigrant experience in this country and I daresay tone deaf to the lived experience of most of this country immigrant or not. Elitism - a recurrent theme it seems.
Edited to add: I’d be more interested in hearing stories about more immigrants to these cities from less fortunate backgrounds and their experiences living in some of the most expensive, exclusive and unequal areas of the nation. Maybe I’ll write to NPR
It's absurd that the posters here seem to only enjoy "hearing stories about immigrants to these cities from less fortunate backgrounds" and assume an immigrant who is doing well in the US must be because they were already wealthy or privileged. WTF. It's a mix of poverty porn and denial (or rejection?) that this country still provides a metric ton of opportunity for many people, even those with very little actual privilege and meager backgrounds.
Most of the visible homeless in Seattle are white American-born drug addicts, the vast majority of whom aren't from Washington state or the PNW.
You might want to check your assumptions about immigrants and how they might thrive. There are plenty of immigrants in this country who are thriving despite coming from less fortunate backgrounds.
It's also ridiculous and incredibly offensive to come to the conclusion of "I see drug addicted homeless on the streets of SF so therefore I'm puzzled how immigrants in SF can thrive."
It's absurd that the posters here seem to only enjoy "hearing stories about immigrants to these cities from less fortunate backgrounds" and assume an immigrant who is doing well in the US must be because they were already wealthy or privileged. WTF. It's a mix of poverty porn and denial (or rejection?) that this country still provides a metric ton of opportunity for many people, even those with very little actual privilege and meager backgrounds.
Yeah immigrants are most upwardly mobile than most Americans.
However despite this is you are measuring “which cities have the most educated immigrants? You are basically measuring how they got here. HB-1 or graduate Student visas more or less require college degrees. While the vast majority of asylum seekers do not have college degrees. So Phoenix isn’t failing immigrants in its school system compared to San Jose. Same thing with income. In Seattle a large portion of immigrants get to live in Seattle because they were already qualified to work for Amazon or Microsoft. Of course they’ll have higher incomes than a guy who took a raft from Cuba to Miami ( on aggregate)
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