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I lived in and around both for a good part of 20 years and they might as well be 300 miles apart in culture and feel. It’s an interesting and unique dynamic for sure, but one that I quite enjoyed.
Having two big cities in extreme proximity has boosted the overall region into the economic power house it is.
As a native New Englander that went to college in Providence and lives and works in Boston now. I don't think they are 300 miles apart in culture and feel at all. There may be some unique things to Providence as there would be in Lowell, Worcester, Lynn, Brockton, New Bedford or Manchester, but really there are probably very few things in Providence where you'd think this is so different than Boston.
As a native New Englander that went to college in Providence and lives and works in Boston now. I don't think they are 300 miles apart in culture and feel at all. There may be some unique things to Providence as there would be in Lowell, Worcester, Lynn, Brockton, New Bedford or Manchester, but really there are probably very few things in Providence where you'd think this is so different than Boston.
He was referring to DC and Baltimore.
Providence is mostly the same culture as Boston no doubt. Maritime, triple decker, textile pats, lotta immigrants, Ed’s and meds, same accent (slight slight NYC twang in Prov). Harvard = Brown. Boston College = Providence College. Lotta Italians, Cape Verdeans, Portuguese, Irish, Haitians, Dominicans. Relatively low levels of gun crime. Almost every club promoter I follow in Boston promotes half their events in Providence.
As a native New Englander that went to college in Providence and lives and works in Boston now. I don't think they are 300 miles apart in culture and feel at all. There may be some unique things to Providence as there would be in Lowell, Worcester, Lynn, Brockton, New Bedford or Manchester, but really there are probably very few things in Providence where you'd think this is so different than Boston.
Like others have said, I was referring to DC & Baltimore. The cities (proper) feel absolutely nothing a like despite the extreme proximity.
“We want Baltimore to be connected, but the rest of the region also wants to be more connected to Baltimore,”
“If we connect the economic centers of Richmond and DC and Baltimore, we can create a 21st-century transportation and infrastructure system. We can grow and attract and retain talent,”
Saying "cities A, B and C are [or ought to be] deeply interconnected" is not the same thing as saying any of the three cities are satellites of another. I note that the Virginia capitol of Richmond is included in both the transportation improvements that quoted official is pushing for as well as the territory the Greater Washington Partnership advocates for, yet no one is calling Richmond a satellite city of DC.
Like others have said, I was referring to DC & Baltimore. The cities (proper) feel absolutely nothing a like despite the extreme proximity.
The suburbs are different too. Far fewer majority black suburban areas in Baltimore. And Baltimore has way more redneck-type suburbs.
Much less ostentatious wealth in the Baltimore suburbs IMO. Only Hunt Valley Really stands out.
In Baltimore, even the suburbs are divided east vs west, like the city. In DC with a lack of a major bay, the nodes, and energy of the suburbs is more radial feel.
DC has fewer rowhome suburbs like Catonsville and Dundalk. The older suburbs in DC tend to be small SF and Garden-style apartments as opposed to 1940s era rowhomes and garden apartments like Baltimores older burbs.
Saying "cities A, B and C are [or ought to be] deeply interconnected" is not the same thing as saying any of the three cities are satellites of another. I note that the Virginia capitol of Richmond is included in both the transportation improvements that quoted official is pushing for as well as the territory the Greater Washington Partnership advocates for, yet no one is calling Richmond a satellite city of DC.
Richmond is more of a Milwaukee/Sacramento situation
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Saying "cities A, B and C are [or ought to be] deeply interconnected" is not the same thing as saying any of the three cities are satellites of another. I note that the Virginia capitol of Richmond is included in both the transportation improvements that quoted official is pushing for as well as the territory the Greater Washington Partnership advocates for, yet no one is calling Richmond a satellite city of DC.
I think you all have taken the OP's use of the word "satellite" here and let this roll on a bit too far. What we have in the list of cities listed by the OP is regions of the country where you have a clear #1 and #2 city of either a broader MSA, or CSA region. All the OP is asking from what I gather, is which #2 city is best compared to the others. It's true some of these are more true satellites like a Long Beach, while others are more primary in functionality like Baltimore or Providence, then there's IMO a more co-city setup like Minneapolis-St. Paul. Understanding these differences, remove the word "satellite" from the discussion to get to the crux of what's being asked.
This whole 9 page back and forth about merits of "satellites" or not isn't what the OP is asking. Which #2 city of it's broader region that another large city exists is the best city between Oakland, Baltimore, Providence, St. Paul, Tacoma, and Long Beach? That's really all the question is.
All of the cities listed here are under 40 miles from the #1 city to the #2 city of their region save for Providence. Richmond is not part of greater DC-Baltimore.
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I think you all have taken the OP's use of the word "satellite" here and let this roll on a bit too far. What we have in the list of cities listed by the OP is regions of the country where you have a clear #1 and #2 city of either a broader MSA, or CSA region. All the OP is asking from what I gather, is which #2 city is best compared to the others. It's true some of these are more true satellites like a Long Beach, while others are more primary in functionality like Baltimore or Providence, then there's IMO a more co-city setup like Minneapolis-St. Paul. Understanding these differences, remove the word "satellite" from the discussion to get to the crux of what's being asked.
This whole 9 page back and forth about merits of "satellites" or not isn't what the OP is asking. Which #2 city of it's broader region that another large city exists is the best city between Oakland, Baltimore, Providence, St. Paul, Tacoma, and Long Beach? That's really all the question is.
All of the cities listed here are under 40 miles from the #1 city to the #2 city of their region save for Providence. Richmond is not part of greater DC-Baltimore.
Providence’s borders are less than 40 miles from Boston’s borders. 35 miles or 38-minute drive from Southern Boston to Northern Providence. Baltimore borders are 34 miles from DC's and a 39-minute drive. But I think for me once you hit Pawtucket- that is the core of urban providence. And its 30 miles from Pawtucket to Boston's southern Border, or a 32-minute drive. Just for Reference.... If i drove from Boston's Southern border to its Northern border in Charlestown, that's 16 miles and a 32-minute drive right now as well.
Bostons Downtown to Providence downtown is 49 miles and a 51-minute drive right now. DC Downtown to Baltimore Downtown is 39 miles and a 1 hour and 1-minute drive right now.
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I think you all have taken the OP's use of the word "satellite" here and let this roll on a bit too far. What we have in the list of cities listed by the OP is regions of the country where you have a clear #1 and #2 city of either a broader MSA, or CSA region. All the OP is asking from what I gather, is which #2 city is best compared to the others. It's true some of these are more true satellites like a Long Beach, while others are more primary in functionality like Baltimore or Providence, then there's IMO a more co-city setup like Minneapolis-St. Paul. Understanding these differences, remove the word "satellite" from the discussion to get to the crux of what's being asked.
This whole 9 page back and forth about merits of "satellites" or not isn't what the OP is asking. Which #2 city of it's broader region that another large city exists is the best city between Oakland, Baltimore, Providence, St. Paul, Tacoma, and Long Beach? That's really all the question is.
All of the cities listed here are under 40 miles from the #1 city to the #2 city of their region save for Providence. Richmond is not part of greater DC-Baltimore.
The whole premise is Flawed from the initial post. Baltimore is in No Way a satellite city, which we all understand. You're running into opposition because you're saying it's not, while insinuating that is. Which is also why you run straight to the CSA designation, when every other city aside from Providence, is within the main cities' MSA.
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