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Philly was entirely reliant on the Great Migration, DC had a built-in population of black free people as well as benefiting from both the Great Migration and Reverse Great Migration.
Philadelphia, the epicenter of the abolitionist movement in the U.S., also had a large and notable free Black population with some of the oldest Black institutions in the country having been founded in the region, including the two oldest HBCUs in the country. It also benefitted from an influx of Black Southern migrants during both waves of the Great Migration. However competition for jobs in the city from European immigrants and deindustrialization had a significant impact on the fortunes of Philly's Black residents; the opposition to the Philadelphia Plan in the 70s under Nixon demonstrates this aptly. Competition from immigrants and the loss of industry are two things Black residents of DC never really had to worry about, plus the federal government pioneered the implementation of non-discriminatory practices in hiring in the U.S.
Atlanta and DC also benefitted from Black mayors that took big steps towards economically empowering their Black constituencies via minority contracting mandates. Maynard Jackson and Marion Barry did that more effectively than just about any other Black mayor in American history.
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I'm aware MOVE was under Wilson Goode but it still happened.. and really wouldn't happen in 1985 DC or 1985 ATL. Or at least I do not believe it would.
Let's not forget about the Atlanta Child Murders of the late 70s/early 80s which was a major stain on Mayor Jackson's legacy.
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You're getting to the point with the electability but that extends into other things as well. It is part of why Baltimore in terms of Black poverty, median income, and maybe even black crime rate still outperforms Philadelphia despite being a lesser city and even though it elected a black mayor later than Philly.
This is because postwar federal (and, to a lesser extent, state) government largesse was able to pick up the economic slack caused by deindustrialization in the Baltimore area as well as the effects of hypersegregation. This is why the fortunes of Baltimore city and its surrounding counties (Baltimore, Howard, AA) are largely inverted.
You can make that argument but Atlanta is a city of money wasters by far. Lots of people there are just as broke as people living in expensive cities.
I wasn't arguing because its a fact that Atlanta is much cheaper. Plus, broke people live everywhere but imagine living in DC and NYC without money. Money wasters, who's exactly wasting money in Atlanta? I can't see how that would be different than any other city especially when certain demographics are known for spending money on material things vs. creating wealth.
Atlanta may not be as expensive as DC and NYC, but its days of being a cheap city are well behind it.
What prosperous major cities are cheaper than Atlanta? You just cannot reasonably tell someone from DC or NYC Atlanta isnt cheap.
I'm guessing the only ones that are doing well and not in some level of decline cheaper than Atlanta would be maybe Pittsburgh, Minneapolis, Orlando, and Houston?
What prosperous major cities are cheaper than Atlanta? You just cannot reasonably tell someone from DC or NYC Atlanta isnt cheap.
Yeah, this all depends on where you're coming from. Here are median home sale prices according to Redfin.
King County, WA - $735,000 ($447 per sf)
Suffolk County, MA - $729,450 ($613 per sf)
Nassau County, NY - $650,000 ($410 per sf)
Bergen County, NJ - $559,000 ($338 per sf)
Montgomery County, MD - $516,000 ($261 per sf)
Miami-Dade County - $479,250 ($354 per sf)
San Bernardino County, CA - $475,000 ($305 per sf)
Prince George's County - $399,000 ($231 per sf)
Montgomery County, PA - $390,000 ($205 per sf)
Cobb County, GA - $377,500 ($180 per sf)
Atlanta, GA - $364,000 ($254 per sf)
Fulton County, GA - $374,990 ($215 per sf)
DeKalb County, GA - $325,500 ($173 per sf)
Baltimore County, MD - $300,000 ($178 per sf)
Chicago, IL - $300,000 ($215 per sf)
Philadelphia, PA - $237,000 ($178 per sf)
Baltimore City, MD - $169,600 ($136 per sf)
Wayne County, MI - $150,000 ($129 per sf)
Yeah, this all depends on where you're coming from. Here are median home sale prices according to Redfin.
King County, WA - $735,000 ($447 per sf)
Suffolk County, MA - $729,450 ($613 per sf)
Nassau County, NY - $650,000 ($410 per sf)
Bergen County, NJ - $559,000 ($338 per sf)
Montgomery County, MD - $516,000 ($261 per sf)
Miami-Dade County - $479,250 ($354 per sf)
San Bernardino County, CA - $475,000 ($305 per sf)
Prince George's County - $399,000 ($231 per sf)
Montgomery County, PA - $390,000 ($205 per sf)
Cobb County, GA - $377,500 ($180 per sf)
Atlanta, GA - $364,000 ($254 per sf)
Fulton County, GA - $374,990 ($215 per sf)
DeKalb County, GA - $325,500 ($173 per sf)
Baltimore County, MD - $300,000 ($178 per sf)
Chicago, IL - $300,000 ($215 per sf)
Philadelphia, PA - $237,000 ($178 per sf)
Baltimore City, MD - $169,600 ($136 per sf)
Wayne County, MI - $150,000 ($129 per sf)
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San Bernardino, Baltimore City, Wayne county
Because none of those are prosperous cities as I stated.
After that. The only major cities on the list cheaper are Philly and Chicago.
We left off DC itself, NYC, Denver, LA, Nashville the entire Bay Area, Portland, Minneapolis, Dallas, Houston, Las Vegas, Phoenix and Austin. Of those ATL is only going to be more Expensive than Dallas, Minneapolis Houston but DeKalb and Fulton are still cheaper than Minneapolis or Dallas.
it’s somewhat cheap unless your comparing to heavily blighted cities (Detroit), declining cities (BMore) or stagnant cities (SB). Not the cheapest but it’s still cheap. I’ve got 6 major cities in good standing that are cheaper and 12 that are more expensive.
lop off
San Bernardino, Baltimore City, Wayne county
Because none of those are prosperous cities as I stated.
After that. The only major cities on the list cheaper are Philly and Chicago.
We left off DC itself, NYC, Denver, LA, Nashville the entire Bay Area, Portland, Minneapolis, Dallas, Houston, Las Vegas, Phoenix and Austin. Of those ATL is only going to be more Expensive than Dallas, Minneapolis Houston but DeKalb and Fulton are still cheaper than Minneapolis or Dallas.
it’s somewhat cheap unless your comparing to heavily blighted cities (Detroit), declining cities (BMore) or stagnant cities (SB). Not the cheapest but it’s still cheap. I’ve got 6 major cities in good standing that are cheaper and 12 that are more expensive.
Atlanta is also cheaper than Charlotte and the Research Triangle.
Wake County, NC - $460,000 ($209 per sf)
Mecklenburg County, NC - $405,000 ($209 per sf)
What prosperous major cities are cheaper than Atlanta? You just cannot reasonably tell someone from DC or NYC Atlanta isnt cheap.
I'm guessing the only ones that are doing well and not in some level of decline cheaper than Atlanta would be maybe Pittsburgh, Minneapolis, Orlando, and Houston?
RE market has changed everywhere
I'd tell somebody from NYC or DC that Atlanta is cheaper, but I wouldn't characterize it as cheap, especially if the least desirable/least developed areas aren't under consideration. YMMV.
What prosperous major cities are cheaper than Atlanta? You just cannot reasonably tell someone from DC or NYC Atlanta isnt cheap.
I'm guessing the only ones that are doing well and not in some level of decline cheaper than Atlanta would be maybe Pittsburgh, Minneapolis, Orlando, and Houston?
RE market has changed everywhere
Another reason why cost of living is mythical is because it only focuses on people who live in places like NYC, Cali, Boston, DC etc.
My lady friend who is lives throughout Lexington and Louisville KY finds Atlanta to be very expensive.
Almost had a heart attack when she saw prices in DC, NJ, and NY.
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