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I mean ofcourse the eastern posters will support their region/cities, is this of any surprise?
IMO these sunbelt-modern new growth cities have better futures in any metric besides the love of ppsm density from the urban academia. Climate/water issues are being over rated for the legacy city perceived superiority as technology advances and humans fabricate new methods to combat issues.
The only actual tangible advantage I see from Philadelphia would be the fact that it's situated by an ocean. Everything else is opinion but the statistical fact being the population growth is much healthier in Phoenix and sunbelt/western regions of the US.
Warm weather means alot.
Philly is a great city with lots of history and legacy but let's not get too carried away with the boosterism and saying it's not even close doesn't help the case. Lol
I get what you're trying to say here, and I'm not from the Northeast or west. So no dog in this fight, but even this fact you mention is still an opinion. I wouldn't call the population growth Phoenix is going through healthier. Absurd growth that some of these sunbelt cities are going through are coming at the cost of lack of infrastructure improvement. And I get the appeal of warm weather, but Phoenix's climate is on another level from other sunbelt cities and IMO one of the most brutal in the US.
These are the two places I've been to where I encountered subpar customer service experiences on a fairly regular basis. The folks at the Wawa stores in Philly can be downright rude at times.
As for Phoenix there had been multiple threads created recently in the Houston forum about people wanting to leave Phoenix because the people there were not nice to them. I also ran into indifferent or rude hotel staff there.
I wouldn't say these necessarily translate to rude or aloof population in general. I certainly made friends when I lived in Philly and would probably do so at Phoenix.
These are the two places I've been to where I encountered subpar customer service experiences on a fairly regular basis. The folks at the Wawa stores in Philly can be downright rude at times.
As for Phoenix there had been multiple threads created recently in the Houston forum about people wanting to leave Phoenix because the people there were not nice to them. I also ran into indifferent or rude hotel staff there.
I wouldn't say these necessarily translate to rude or aloof population in general. I certainly made friends when I lived in Philly and would probably do so at Phoenix.
Customer service is garbage in the vast majority of places, especially these days with labor shortages, so I find that to be a very moot point. It's gone downhill everywhere.
^^^ yeah that's true. Nobody wants to deal with people or that 1/100th person that's a sociopath these days. The anti-establishment movement has much to do with the general "revolt" of a percieved lifetime of servitude.
Either that or our brains are wired to remember that 1 negative experience vs the 100s of decent ones.
I get what you're trying to say here, and I'm not from the Northeast or west. So no dog in this fight, but even this fact you mention is still an opinion. I wouldn't call the population growth Phoenix is going through healthier. Absurd growth that some of these sunbelt cities are going through are coming at the cost of lack of infrastructure improvement. And I get the appeal of warm weather, but Phoenix's climate is on another level from other sunbelt cities and IMO one of the most brutal in the US.
A car is fine with the lack of TOD stuff in these sprawling sun belt cities. The healthy or not population growth is still an opinion too. The only hard facts we have are statistics.
A car is fine with the lack of TOD stuff in these sprawling sun belt cities. The healthy or not population growth is still an opinion too. The only hard facts we have are statistics.
To a degree, yes. But, if a city is experiencing explosive growth and can't keep up on infrastructure, I wouldn't call it healthy. A number of sunbelt cities come to mind here, including Phoenix.
Phoenix is definitely more of a mellow city compared to Philadelphia. Philadelphia has had extensive episodes of civil unrest, particularly race related, homelessness, drug addiction and lawlessness. NO brotherly love there. As opposed to Phoenix, where its major social tension is traffic-related stress and anger. Phoenix is by far a superior city.
Customer service is garbage in the vast majority of places, especially these days with labor shortages, so I find that to be a very moot point. It's gone downhill everywhere.
Well my experiences were from more than five years ago so not covid related. Philly was also known as the 'City of Brotherly Shove' for a while so that probably came from somewhere. I personally find the people in Philly to be fairly typical of the Northeast in terms of 'niceness'.
I've never lived in Phoenix so can't say how friendly the people are on average. My guess would be similar to LA or Vegas.
Well my experiences were from more than five years ago so not covid related. Philly was also known as the 'City of Brotherly Shove' for a while so that probably came from somewhere. I personally find the people in Philly to be fairly typical of the Northeast in terms of 'niceness'.
I've never lived in Phoenix so can't say how friendly the people are on average. My guess would be similar to LA or Vegas.
The Northeast generally is very difficult to generalize in terms of attitudes; you could literally come across the most surly, "won't give you the time of day" person you can imagine, or the most genuine, "shirt-off-their-back" type you would encounter anywhere. But at least you're getting authenticity. "Kind but not nice" is a very common descriptor.
My experience out West is that non-genuine or feigned friendliness is MUCH more common, which can be off-putting in a very different way. It's "nice but not kind."
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