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But where two separate transit agencies are in play (actually three if counting NJ Transit light rail line), if one were to hypothetically plan a trip on transit from Center City to Bordentown, NJ and transferring from a SEPTA line to PATCO, then transferring in Camden to the light rail, would the passenger being paying three different fares or are the transfers versatile between the transit agencies? AFAIK fares will be seamless and transferable between the REM when service starts and the STM Metro lines in Montreal.
Not entirely sure regarding NJ Transit (my guess is their fare system is mutually exclusive from SEPTA's and PATCO's), but there is a fare card that accommodates transfers between SEPTA and PATCO: PATCO
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Fascinating. I spent a few days in Montreal last summer and came away with the complete opposite impression. Philadelphia is built much more compactly and it's inner city feels larger imo. Montreal reminded me of the Canadian version of Philadelphia. river cities generally setup in a similar fasion with the old cities/downtown/universities.
I don't find the disparities between the two to be that large on the ground. I think Philly's skyline seems more grand and larger by appearance. But the rowhouse grid neighborhoods seem comparable at the core. I think Philly's rowhouse corridors may be built out a bit further.
I don't find the disparities between the two to be that large on the ground. I think Philly's skyline seems more grand and larger by appearance. But the rowhouse grid neighborhoods seem comparable at the core. I think Philly's rowhouse corridors may be built out a bit further.
I didn't mean to suggest they weren't comparable. They absolutely are. The only way to really tell Philly's metro is 33% larger is the airport and trophy towers are bigger lol. At street level, they definitely feel in a similar tier. But I will say this: Philadelphia had a million more people than Montreal before the advent of the car. I think in the grand scheme of built urban environments, that does make a difference.
I But I will say this: Philadelphia had a million more people than Montreal before the advent of the car. I think in the grand scheme of built urban environments, that does make a difference.
Wow, very interesting. Wouldn't have guessed that the historical population difference is anywhere close to that. That would definitely seem to explain the difference in roadway layouts.
Wow, very interesting. Wouldn't have guessed that the historical population difference is anywhere close to that. That would definitely seem to explain the difference in roadway layouts.
This is what I was most surprised by in making this thread. I had assumed that Montreal was an old big city and wasn't really the case.
If it were an American city though, it would still easily qualify as a first generation legacy major city (more populous than Detroit or Pittsburgh in 1900 census).
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This is what I was most surprised by in making this thread. I had assumed that Montreal was an old big city and wasn't really the case.
If it were an American city though, it would still easily qualify as a first generation legacy major city (more populous than Detroit or Pittsburgh in 1900 census).
The old city neighborhoods are contained between Downtown/Parc Mont Royal and to the west of Ave Papineau and south of Ave Jean Talon. One of the most vibrant commercial corridors is along St Laurent Blvd between Little Italy and the Old Port through Mile End & Le Plateau. It's about two miles long. Historically the French lived east of downtown and neighborhoods were mostly working class and the English lived west of downtown which is more affluent. To the north and west of Mont Royal the neighborhoods of Outremont, Notre Dame de Grace, Verdun, & Atwater are peppered with early 20th century rowhomes. Beyond these sections the city is mostly post WWII construction.
The oldest part of the city is the Old Port and it's very touristy. This is where many American tourists can end up and say "OMG Montreal feels like Europe".
But Montreal is also famous for having mid century brutalist architecture and it has it in spades! This was a heyday for the city when it was Canada's chief city and it hosted Expo 67, the 76 Olympics, when the Metro system was constructed, and just before the Parti Quebecois separatist movement got legs in the 80's. This video brilliantly paints a good picture of the mark that brutalism left on the city.
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