Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Status:
"See My Blog Entries for my Top 500 Most Important USA Cities"
(set 4 days ago)
Location: Harrisburg, PA
1,051 posts, read 975,507 times
Reputation: 1406
Advertisements
Ok I know I have received a lot of feedback on my list, which I appreciate. If anyone is interested: I update my list daily (see Blog Entries: 1, up above and to the right). I have already implemented some of your recommendations.
Below is the Global CityLab 500 list for 2021: Global 500 cities. I believe Bloomberg publishes this. It is very city proper heavy. Still an interesting list.
There were 63 USA cities ranked (omitted San Juan #153 from the below).
US Ranking, City Name, Global Ranking
1. New York 1
2. Los Angeles 7
3. San Francisco 12
4. Washington 21
5. Chicago 22
6. Boston 25
7. Houston 31
8. Phoenix 38 (yikes)
9. Atlanta 39
10. Miami 40
11. Philadelphia 41
12. Dallas 46
13. San Diego 62
14. Denver 68
15. San Jose 69
16. Seattle 71
17. Las Vegas 80
18. Baltimore 87
19. Kansas City 91
20. St. Louis 92
21. Orlando 95
22. Detroit 96
23. Virginia Beach 104
24. Columbus 119
25. Cleveland 123
26. New Orleans 126
27. Tampa 135
28. Austin 139
29. Portland 141
30. Cincinnati 156
31. Palm Bay 165 (BIG yikes-what is going on here...?)
32. Pittsburgh 176
33. Indianapolis 184
34. Buffalo 198
35. Minneapolis 205 (way too low...)
36. Riverside 212
37. Charlotte 231
38. Honolulu 243
39. Birmingham 246
40. Nashville 248
41. Salt Lake City 264
42. Sacramento 272
43. Providence 287
44. Syracuse 280 (yikes)
45. Richmond 295
46. San Antonio 297
47. Rochester 305
48. Milwaukee 308 (way too low)
49. Jacksonville 329
50. Grand Rapids 336
51. Oklahoma City 348
52. Raleigh 354
53. Louisville 369
54. Hartford 372
55. Omaha 381
56. Memphis 402
57. Tulsa 413
58. Santa Fe 414 (did they mean Albuquerque instead?)
59. Charleston, SC 433
60. Santa Barbara 455
Ok I know I have received a lot of feedback on my list, which I appreciate. If anyone is interested: I update my list daily (see Blog Entries: 1, up above and to the right). I have already implemented some of your recommendations.
Below is the Global CityLab 500 list for 2021: Global 500 cities. I believe Bloomberg publishes this. It is very city proper heavy. Still an interesting list.
There were 63 USA cities ranked (omitted San Juan #153 from the below).
US Ranking, City Name, Global Ranking
1. New York 1
2. Los Angeles 7
3. San Francisco 12
4. Washington 21
5. Chicago 22
6. Boston 25
7. Houston 31
8. Phoenix 38 (yikes)
9. Atlanta 39
10. Miami 40
11. Philadelphia 41
12. Dallas 46
13. San Diego 62
14. Denver 68
15. San Jose 69
16. Seattle 71
17. Las Vegas 80
18. Baltimore 87
19. Kansas City 91
20. St. Louis 92
21. Orlando 95
22. Detroit 96
23. Virginia Beach 104
24. Columbus 119
25. Cleveland 123
26. New Orleans 126
27. Tampa 135
28. Austin 139
29. Portland 141
30. Cincinnati 156
31. Palm Bay 165 (BIG yikes-what is going on here...?)
32. Pittsburgh 176
33. Indianapolis 184
34. Buffalo 198
35. Minneapolis 205 (way too low...)
36. Riverside 212
37. Charlotte 231
38. Honolulu 243
39. Birmingham 246
40. Nashville 248
41. Salt Lake City 264
42. Sacramento 272
43. Providence 287
44. Syracuse 280 (yikes)
45. Richmond 295
46. San Antonio 297
47. Rochester 305
48. Milwaukee 308 (way too low)
49. Jacksonville 329
50. Grand Rapids 336
51. Oklahoma City 348
52. Raleigh 354
53. Louisville 369
54. Hartford 372
55. Omaha 381
56. Memphis 402
57. Tulsa 413
58. Santa Fe 414 (did they mean Albuquerque instead?)
59. Charleston, SC 433
60. Santa Barbara 455
61. Portland, ME 457
62. New Haven 467
There are other global rankings that are somewhat different than this. I don't hold this particular ranking in higher esteem than others, necessarily. One can pick and choose which one they prefer...they do differ. For instance, SF is below Chicago in some rankings. One chooses which "ranking" to post, based on their preferences. This one has a pretty "odd" ranking of cities...not one I would choose, for sure. There are better, more esteemed rankings.
There are other global rankings that are somewhat different than this. I don't hold this particular ranking in higher esteem than others, necessarily. One can pick and choose which one they prefer...they do differ. For instance, SF is below Chicago in some rankings. One chooses which "ranking" to post, based on their preferences. This one has a pretty "odd" ranking of cities...not one I would choose, for sure. There are better, more esteemed rankings.
Yea, in the end this is City Data world, none of us will agree on an exact list because the idea is so opened ended and often determined subjectively. But we can agree that New York is #1.
At least the top 15 or so group of cities remains similar in each list.
The outliers in this list are Phoenix being too high and Seattle being too low (IMO).
Ok I know I have received a lot of feedback on my list, which I appreciate. If anyone is interested: I update my list daily (see Blog Entries: 1, up above and to the right). I have already implemented some of your recommendations.
Below is the Global CityLab 500 list for 2021: Global 500 cities. I believe Bloomberg publishes this. It is very city proper heavy. Still an interesting list.
Just noting, some of your comments are looking at things from a US centric view. International influence doesn't always align with national influence. Nashville has a way stronger national presence than Birmingham, but Bham is ranked higher here and it's understandable as to why.
Bham has a lot of quiet industries that work internationally. It has a lot of private mining companies like Drummond or Vulcan Materials that mine in places like Colombia or Mexico. Likewise, it has a lot of major construction companies considering the area's size and growth rate, but these companies get major building projects like building embassies overseas (Or that protested police training area that being built in Atlanta). Likewise, Birmingham does grow companies large, but small enough to be enticing to acquire. So it regularly has businesses bought up not only across the country, but across the globe as well (Protective Life, for example, is a subsidiary of Japan's Dai-ichi Life). Southern Company is technically headquartered in Atlanta, but it's practically split with Birmingham, and the parts in Birmingham do tend to be less "sexy," but involve a lot of international consulting.
It also hurts Bham that its local economy is a bit opaque. It has a large number of private businesses that pretty comparable to it's publicly traded ones (EBSCO, O'Neal, McWane, etc). On top of that, the job market tend to favor high benefits over high wages ($60K-$70k jobs with the benefits packages at some of the larger businesses would be preferable to equivalent six figure contractor jobs).
Baltimore's issue is people do think it's distinct from DC, just not in a good way.
History plays a part in this...
Baltimore was a lot larger than DC, then DC grow, grow more, and keep growing while Baltimore stagnates since 1970s or so. As DC economy grew people especially in the SW part of Baltimore Metro (i.e. Howard County) start to commute more into DC MSA sphere for work, even though geographically it's definitely a Baltimore suburb. There are also places like Fort Meade which sits right in the middle of the two which further make commuting pattern in that region a flux. That being said, places like Towson or eastern Baltimore County or Harford County are definitely well within Baltimore sphere of influence with super minimal DC influence.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mjlo
Agreed. If anything I'd say Oakland is really the 2nd city of the Bay Area, it has the built up core of a legacy city and an actual central business district. San Jose has a decent downtown but it is less organic and feels contrived like a Virginia Beach or a Scottsdale.
I've always disagree with Census Bureau for putting Virginia Beach (and its inflated border as it's basically a county) ahead of Norfolk for Hampton Roads, when TBH you have Norfolk (and Portsmouth) being the core for the southern part while Newport News and Hampton being the core for the northern part of HR.
Ok I know I have received a lot of feedback on my list, which I appreciate. If anyone is interested: I update my list daily (see Blog Entries: 1, up above and to the right). I have already implemented some of your recommendations.
Below is the Global CityLab 500 list for 2021: Global 500 cities. I believe Bloomberg publishes this. It is very city proper heavy. Still an interesting list.
There were 63 USA cities ranked (omitted San Juan #153 from the below).
US Ranking, City Name, Global Ranking
1. New York 1
2. Los Angeles 7
3. San Francisco 12
4. Washington 21
5. Chicago 22
6. Boston 25
7. Houston 31
8. Phoenix 38 (yikes)
9. Atlanta 39
10. Miami 40
11. Philadelphia 41
12. Dallas 46
13. San Diego 62
14. Denver 68
15. San Jose 69
16. Seattle 71
17. Las Vegas 80
18. Baltimore 87
19. Kansas City 91
20. St. Louis 92
21. Orlando 95
22. Detroit 96
23. Virginia Beach 104
24. Columbus 119
25. Cleveland 123
26. New Orleans 126
27. Tampa 135
28. Austin 139
29. Portland 141
30. Cincinnati 156
31. Palm Bay 165 (BIG yikes-what is going on here...?)
32. Pittsburgh 176
33. Indianapolis 184
34. Buffalo 198
35. Minneapolis 205 (way too low...)
36. Riverside 212
37. Charlotte 231
38. Honolulu 243
39. Birmingham 246
40. Nashville 248
41. Salt Lake City 264
42. Sacramento 272
43. Providence 287
44. Syracuse 280 (yikes)
45. Richmond 295
46. San Antonio 297
47. Rochester 305
48. Milwaukee 308 (way too low)
49. Jacksonville 329
50. Grand Rapids 336
51. Oklahoma City 348
52. Raleigh 354
53. Louisville 369
54. Hartford 372
55. Omaha 381
56. Memphis 402
57. Tulsa 413
58. Santa Fe 414 (did they mean Albuquerque instead?)
59. Charleston, SC 433
60. Santa Barbara 455
61. Portland, ME 457
62. New Haven 467
Lol! KC > STL and Detroit?????? In what parallel universe is this list credible?
Lol! KC > STL and Detroit?????? In what parallel universe is this list credible?
"Below is the Global CityLab 500 list for 2021: Global 500 cities. I believe Bloomberg publishes this. It is very city proper heavy. Still an interesting list."
There are other global rankings that are somewhat different than this. I don't hold this particular ranking in higher esteem than others, necessarily. One can pick and choose which one they prefer...they do differ. For instance, SF is below Chicago in some rankings. One chooses which "ranking" to post, based on their preferences. This one has a pretty "odd" ranking of cities...not one I would choose, for sure. There are better, more esteemed rankings.
In nearly any Global Index/Ranking/List out there, the top 6 are constants. It's just a matter of order at that point, aside from NYC and LA.
Is DC above Boston, or Boston above DC? San Francisco above Chicago, or Chicago above San Francisco?
I think this list makes sense, though I personally would put Chicago above DC, and I think most of these rankings have it that way.
"Below is the Global CityLab 500 list for 2021: Global 500 cities. I believe Bloomberg publishes this. It is very city proper heavy. Still an interesting list."
And Dallas is also way down compare to other ranking...perhaps b/c all those companies in Irving TX (and of course, Fort Worth) doesn't count?
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
