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Eh. I’m a bit lukewarm on putting Tucson any lower. But I’m not totally opposed to it.
Omaha is so isolated out there in the plains (which could actually help it in the ranking). GR is probably the largest / most influential city that most people have never heard of (seems like, since it *seems* to be a somewhat newer entrant to most rankings). B’ham has the bones to be much more influential, but it is also one of the worst performing cities in the nation. Alabama’s power base is also split among multiple other cities (Montgomery- political, Mobile-logistical, Huntsville-white collar/research, Tuscaloosa-educational). Birmingham would have been ranked higher a decade or two ago. It seems to be trending downward.
Tucson’s main argument is its major military presence. I mean, I guess I could see arguments for these three cities over Tucson. Let me ponder on it.
(apologizing to everyone for keeping this discussion going lol but I'm curious)
What metrics are you using when defining influence? It seems that size and name recognition may weigh pretty heavy into it? Tucson has some name recognition, as well as being home to a D1 university. Other than that it has little to no corporate influence, and it's actual physical sphere of influence is capped at around 1million people. I'm not sure how to quantify how much influence the air force base actually gives it.
Grand Rapids in comparison has almost no name recognition, no D1 university. But it does have a much larger corporate presence, a larger and faster growing economy, and it's actual physical sphere of influence is upwards of 2 million people. Does Tucson win this on name recognitions alone(not saying it shouldn't)?
Do you consider all of these types of things or is it more simple? For me when I think like this I would place both Omaha and Birmingham in the top 50. I agree though there's a bunch of UA's in that 45-55 range that are splitting hairs.
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Also: On the topic of Arizona cities. Do you feel Phoenix is appropriately ranked at #15 (below Minneapolis)? Or should it be ranked above Minneapolis and take the #14 spot instead?
I agree with your placement of Phoenix. Actually I think it's a very good example of what I am talking about above. I'd argue Minneapolis may have more name recognition than PHX. It also has a disproportionately larger corporate presence than Phoenix, and it's economic output is also outsized. The only metric Phoenix really outperforms is UA size. That wouldn't be enough for me to rank it above MSP.
Yep, I'm too lazy to dig up the article but a few years back there was an article about how CNN's HQ really is out of DC and how much consternation that's caused in the Atlanta office which has seen years of layoffs and cuts.
The HQs moved from Downtown Atlanta to midtown. According to the link, CNN's weekday anchors are located in DC and NYC. However, CNN Digital and International Operations occurs in Atlanta. CNN International operates in 200+ countries. Factor that in with Turner Broadcasting, The Weather Channel, film/movie (#2 in the U.S., Top 10 worldwide), and pop culture, I think it's safe to say that Atlanta is a global media outlet and that's why I ranked it over Dallas, Miami, and Philadelphia.
The HQs moved from Downtown Atlanta to midtown. According to the link, CNN's weekday anchors are located in DC and NYC. However, CNN Digital and International Operations occurs in Atlanta. CNN International operates in 200+ countries. Factor that in with Turner Broadcasting, The Weather Channel, film/movie (#2 in the U.S., Top 10 worldwide), and pop culture, I think it's safe to say that Atlanta is a global media outlet and that's why I ranked it over Dallas, Miami, and Philadelphia.
But the anchors, a lot of the execs, the staffers who support the TV/journalism side, staffers who work on the political side which is the focal point for CNN are mostly in DC (and NYC). I mean, it's 2023 - I'm not really going to argue over CNN and what city their HQ is in.
When it comes to Atlanta, lots of TV and movies are shot down there these days due to the tax credits and it's cheaper but personally I don't really think of it as a global media hub. It's like how Canada, similar to Georgia, has become another hot spot for shooting movies and TV shows due to the tax credits and it's just cheaper overall compared to California but I wouldn't really say it's a media hub.
The HQs moved from Downtown Atlanta to midtown. According to the link, CNN's weekday anchors are located in DC and NYC. However, CNN Digital and International Operations occurs in Atlanta. CNN International operates in 200+ countries. Factor that in with Turner Broadcasting, The Weather Channel, film/movie (#2 in the U.S., Top 10 worldwide), and pop culture, I think it's safe to say that Atlanta is a global media outlet and that's why I ranked it over Dallas, Miami, and Philadelphia.
It's common knowledge that CNN's influence and operations in Atlanta have diminished over the years (beyond just broadcasting). A stretch to claim Atlanta is a global media center because it's the "HQ" of CNN...
Philadelphia is the sole home of Comcast and Telemundo operations, a stronger claim for media power. But realistically, the media powerhouses in the US are New York, LA, and DC.
Atlanta is a major player in movie/TV production, but that doesn't equal a global media hub either.
CNN’s presence in its hometown has diminished over the last two decades, with many of its executives, anchors, and staff being based out of its New York Hudson Yards facility.
About 900 of CNN’s 3,500 employees work in New York at the Hudson Yards development on the west side of Manhattan.
The entire CNN U.S. programming weekday, from 4 a.m.-11 p.m. ET, currently originates from either New York or Washington, D.C., with its weekend morning and mid-afternoon shows continuing to originate from Atlanta.
If Comcast is influential, so's Amazon in book, music, and video distribution and content creation. Seattle's also the HQ and engineering center for most cloud services. Microsoft does things. A lot of Meta's VR stuff. And probably the top gaming center in the US outside CA, but #1 with platforms.
But I wouldn't claim Seattle as a major media city. Nor does Philly's claim sound very good. Atlanta would be higher but not on the NY/LA or even TO level.
The HQs moved from Downtown Atlanta to midtown. According to the link, CNN's weekday anchors are located in DC and NYC. However, CNN Digital and International Operations occurs in Atlanta. CNN International operates in 200+ countries. Factor that in with Turner Broadcasting, The Weather Channel, film/movie (#2 in the U.S., Top 10 worldwide), and pop culture, I think it's safe to say that Atlanta is a global media outlet and that's why I ranked it over Dallas, Miami, and Philadelphia.
Seriously. I don't understand this idea that CNN is gonna run to NYC or DC. Its not happening and not just because of tax reasons.
If Comcast is influential, so's Amazon in book, music, and video distribution and content creation. Seattle's also the HQ and engineering center for most cloud services. Microsoft does things. A lot of Meta's VR stuff. And probably the top gaming center in the US outside CA, but #1 with platforms.
But I wouldn't claim Seattle as a major media city. Nor does Philly's claim sound very good. Atlanta would be higher but not on the NY/LA or even TO level.
I don't know that anyone has claimed that Atlanta is on NY/LA's level of media. I am not sure I agree the presence of CNN or Georgia's filming industry is enough to boost the influence of ATL's urban area over Philadelphia.
If Comcast is influential, so's Amazon in book, music, and video distribution and content creation. Seattle's also the HQ and engineering center for most cloud services. Microsoft does things. A lot of Meta's VR stuff. And probably the top gaming center in the US outside CA, but #1 with platforms.
But I wouldn't claim Seattle as a major media city. Nor does Philly's claim sound very good. Atlanta would be higher but not on the NY/LA or even TO level.
I made an analogy to compare CNN vs. Comcast (the latter has a lot more power).
But my point, it is a weak argument to consider Atlanta (or any city that isn't New York, LA, DC) as a global media hub.
If Comcast is influential, so's Amazon in book, music, and video distribution and content creation. Seattle's also the HQ and engineering center for most cloud services. Microsoft does things. A lot of Meta's VR stuff. And probably the top gaming center in the US outside CA, but #1 with platforms.
But I wouldn't claim Seattle as a major media city. Nor does Philly's claim sound very good. Atlanta would be higher but not on the NY/LA or even TO level.
I agree here. I've never once said that Atlanta was on NY's or LA's level, Although regarding movies, it produces more than every other city besides LA. I'm solely speaking on the TV networks (not just CNN), film/movies and pop culture. Atlanta is global in those aspects and I think that I have posted enough factual data to make such a claim. If Atlanta's TV stations operates in 200+ countries, how is that not global influencing? If Atlanta ranks #2 in movie production in the U.S. and Top 10 worldwide, how is that not global influencing? If Atlanta pop culture impacts Africa, Asia, Europe, and parts of South America and the Caribbean, how's that not global influencing?
I agree here. I've never once said that Atlanta was on NY's or LA's level, Although regarding movies, it produces more than every other city besides LA. I'm solely speaking on the TV networks (not just CNN), film/movies and pop culture. Atlanta is global in those aspects and I think that I have posted enough factual data to make such a claim. If Atlanta's TV stations operates in 200+ countries, how is that not global influencing? If Atlanta ranks #2 in movie production in the U.S. and Top 10 worldwide, how is that not global influencing? If Atlanta pop culture impacts Africa, Asia, Europe, and parts of South America and the Caribbean, how's that not global influencing?
The issue is your terminology. Referring to Atlanta as a "global media outlet" inadvertently compares it to New York, LA, DC, actual global media outlets.
Maybe that was not your intention, but that is how it was perceived.
And claiming Atlanta is a "global media outlet" also opens the door to other cities, like Philadelphia and maybe even Seattle. (For the record, I don't think any are global media outlets).
I view Atlanta as a regional media outlet and a national outlet for movie/TV production.
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