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View Poll Results: Which Will happen FIRST in terms of population?
1st, DFW Metroplex will Surpass Metro Chicago 52 44.44%
1st, City of Houston will Surpass City of Chicago 33 28.21%
Chicago Will Remain 3rd Largest City 14 11.97%
Neither, We Don't Know what the Future Holds 18 15.38%
Voters: 117. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-20-2023, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Odenton, MD
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I think that any metric that uses municipal boundaries as a comparison between populated areas (City limits, MSA/CSA) is pretty much useless when comparing different cities/metros especially when they are from different regions. As previously mentioned, these boundaries tend to include include a lot of empty space that skews population density stats (MSA/CSA), or have remained unchanged for over a century (NE, MW) while in other regions like the sunbelt they change on a consistent basis, skewing the comparisons even further. Urbanized area while not perfect is probably the best metric we have currently for making an accurate comparison.
Agreed. The main issue with UA is it's still a conventional statistic (a uniform average) so it's no more accurate than MSA/CSA calculations in establishing weighted density/metrics.

Cook County has 5.27 million people in 945 sq/mi for context (5,576 ppsm). The remaining ~1,400 sq/mi of Chicago's UA contains the remaining 3.2 million people (2285 ppsm) which paints a very different picture than uniform density of 3,708 ppsm for Chicago's UA.

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Old 06-21-2023, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Where did you get this information? According to the census reporter Houston covers more land area than Chicago in every metric except for urban area. Am I missing something?


UA
Chicago 2,441 sq mi
Houston 1,663 sq mi

MSA
Chicago 7,194 sq mi
Houston 8,269 sq mi

CSA
Chicago 10,634 sq mi
Houston 11,836 sq mi


https://censusreporter.org/profiles/...-il-in-wi-csa/
He got it from Wikipedia. Now where they got that from I don't know. But I still much prefer UA to MSA. I prefer both to CSA though.
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Old 06-21-2023, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Houston/Austin, TX
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He got it from Wikipedia. Now where they got that from I don't know. But I still much prefer UA to MSA. I prefer both to CSA though.
Generally speaking, I agree. However there are cases where CSA certainly makes sense as a study such as in SF-SJ, Boston-Providence, and DC-Bmore.
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Old 06-24-2023, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Shelby County, Tennessee
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Not Just Chicago, New York City gotta watch out
https://dallas.culturemap.com/news/c...00-movebuddha/

Dallas-Fort Worth could be biggest metro in U.S. by year 2100, new report says

report predicts.

An analysis by moving services site moveBuddha published June 22 says the Metroplex's population could swell to 33.91 million people in the next 77 years.

Based on current population and migration trends, in fact, America’s three biggest metropolitan areas by 2100 will be DFW (No. 1), Houston (No. 2), and Austin (No. 3), replacing New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago as the country’s most populous metros, the report predicts.

Houston's population is estimated to grow to 31.38 million, and Austin's is projected to jump to 22.29 million.

"The future of America may lie in Texas" the report's author says.

"According to the report, the top 10 largest metros and their populations by 2100 will be:

No. 1 – Dallas-Fort Worth (33,907,275)
No. 2 – Houston (31,384,122)

No. 3 – Austin (22,293,980)
No. 4 – Phoenix (22,271,212)
No. 5 – New York City (20,810,467)
No. 6 – Atlanta (18,370,497)
No. 7 – Los Angeles (15,502,798)
No. 8 – Washington-Arlington, D.C.-Virginia (14,972,830)
No. 9 – Orlando (14,172,727)
No. 10 – Miami (13,779,843)"

Where's Chicago???

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Old 06-24-2023, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Houston/Austin, TX
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Not Just Chicago, New York City gotta watch out
https://dallas.culturemap.com/news/c...00-movebuddha/

Dallas-Fort Worth could be biggest metro in U.S. by year 2100, new report says

report predicts.

An analysis by moving services site moveBuddha published June 22 says the Metroplex's population could swell to 33.91 million people in the next 77 years.

Based on current population and migration trends, in fact, America’s three biggest metropolitan areas by 2100 will be DFW (No. 1), Houston (No. 2), and Austin (No. 3), replacing New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago as the country’s most populous metros, the report predicts.

Houston's population is estimated to grow to 31.38 million, and Austin's is projected to jump to 22.29 million.

"The future of America may lie in Texas" the report's author says.

"According to the report, the top 10 largest metros and their populations by 2100 will be:

No. 1 – Dallas-Fort Worth (33,907,275)
No. 2 – Houston (31,384,122)

No. 3 – Austin (22,293,980)
No. 4 – Phoenix (22,271,212)
No. 5 – New York City (20,810,467)
No. 6 – Atlanta (18,370,497)
No. 7 – Los Angeles (15,502,798)
No. 8 – Washington-Arlington, D.C.-Virginia (14,972,830)
No. 9 – Orlando (14,172,727)
No. 10 – Miami (13,779,843)"

Where's Chicago???
Very, very bold predictions
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Old 06-24-2023, 09:15 AM
 
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I can't imagine Austin at 10M. Let alone 20M. Dallas and Houston at 30M would mean highways every block just to move people around.
Flying cars would have to be a thing to make commuting in those cities bearable.

There is no chance on Earth that Phoenix gets anywhere close to that. The last 3 decades of rapid growth in Phoenix is definitely going to have to slow.

I predict that DFW and Houston stabilize around 13-15M and Phoenix at around 7M. Vegas, and other SW cities will pick up pace lost by Phoenix before they themselves run up against challenges
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Old 06-24-2023, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Generally speaking, I agree. However there are cases where CSA certainly makes sense as a study such as in SF-SJ, Boston-Providence, and DC-Bmore.
Yes I mentioned this before. CSA works for the Bay Area, LA/Riverside, and maybe Boston/Providence. I 100% disagree that it works for DC/Bmore.
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Old 06-24-2023, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Originally Posted by BlueRedTide View Post
Not Just Chicago, New York City gotta watch out
https://dallas.culturemap.com/news/c...00-movebuddha/

Dallas-Fort Worth could be biggest metro in U.S. by year 2100, new report says

report predicts.

An analysis by moving services site moveBuddha published June 22 says the Metroplex's population could swell to 33.91 million people in the next 77 years.

Based on current population and migration trends, in fact, America’s three biggest metropolitan areas by 2100 will be DFW (No. 1), Houston (No. 2), and Austin (No. 3), replacing New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago as the country’s most populous metros, the report predicts.

Houston's population is estimated to grow to 31.38 million, and Austin's is projected to jump to 22.29 million.

"The future of America may lie in Texas" the report's author says.

"According to the report, the top 10 largest metros and their populations by 2100 will be:

No. 1 – Dallas-Fort Worth (33,907,275)
No. 2 – Houston (31,384,122)

No. 3 – Austin (22,293,980)
No. 4 – Phoenix (22,271,212)
No. 5 – New York City (20,810,467)
No. 6 – Atlanta (18,370,497)
No. 7 – Los Angeles (15,502,798)
No. 8 – Washington-Arlington, D.C.-Virginia (14,972,830)
No. 9 – Orlando (14,172,727)
No. 10 – Miami (13,779,843)"

Where's Chicago???
So based on this prediction, over the course of 77 years, or 7 decades, the DFW area will grow by:

current 7,800,000 in 2023, to 33,907,275 in 2100
An increase of 26,107,275 during that 77 year period
Every decade, the metroplex will increase by over 3.5 million people, based on this model

This sounds like this prediction came from a wishful thinking child. So unrealistic.
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Old 06-24-2023, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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I can't imagine Austin at 10M. Let alone 20M. Dallas and Houston at 30M would mean highways every block just to move people around.
Flying cars would have to be a thing to make commuting in those cities bearable.

There is no chance on Earth that Phoenix gets anywhere close to that. The last 3 decades of rapid growth in Phoenix is definitely going to have to slow.

I predict that DFW and Houston stabilize around 13-15M and Phoenix at around 7M. Vegas, and other SW cities will pick up pace lost by Phoenix before they themselves run up against challenges
Agree with this.

The birth rate in the US is slowing bigtime. The only way cities like this grow in the present day, is by domestic migration inbound moving patterns, and immigration into cities like this from other countries.

I would predict Dallas/Fort Worth increases to about 13-14 million in the metroplex, by 2100. That's an annual increase average over the course of each decade by about 700-800,000 people, which is pretty aggressive, long term.

Phoenix' issue is water. They will have to find a solution for inexpensive, plentiful water before they keep growing like crazy. I think by 2100, Phoenix will be in the 7-8 million range.
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Old 06-24-2023, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Houston/Austin, TX
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Yes I mentioned this before. CSA works for the Bay Area, LA/Riverside, and maybe Boston/Providence. I 100% disagree that it works for DC/Bmore.
Well regardless of whether it works or not, I see it as a unique scenario. But as you mentioned, UA > MSA > CSA.
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