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You just have to be smart. I tend to do that like that in the evening. You do still see people biking, jogging and such, so I guess some people aren't as affected as others.
My first visit to Houston so far was in late July 2019 for a family reunion.
The official reunion hotel was located in League City, halfway between Houston and Galveston and close to the community center in Pasadena where the big reunion dinner would take place.
The hotel had a pool with a swim-up bar. Seemed to me a good way to deal with the problem.
You just have to be smart. I tend to do that like that in the evening. You do still see people biking, jogging and such, so I guess some people aren't as affected as others.
All of this. Was just in Houston this weekend (the Heights) and it was buzzing with people today afternoon even though it was easily 100+ degrees outside. Lots of people waking, shopping, on trails, patio bars, etc. There even was an outdoor market filled with people. I know Dallas and Austin have their areas like this too. The heat sucks but it clearly isn’t slowing down people from going out in the Texas cities.
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Yes I mentioned this before. CSA works for the Bay Area, LA/Riverside, and maybe Boston/Providence. I 100% disagree that it works for DC/Bmore.
Lol. It does. You just don't like it for them because DC-Balt is the 3rd largest CSA now. In fact, I think it's the quintessential CSA of the entire country for any matter by textbook definition, a way greater example than both LA and Boston CSA's, and SF/SJ should just be one MSA.
When comparing to MSA's over 10k sq miles like Houston and Dallas, you have to take any MSA or CSA totals with a grain of salt. Urban Area is flawed too, but probably comes closest to reality in describing a city's urban range.
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Lol. It does. You just don't like it for them because DC-Balt is the 3rd largest CSA now. In fact, I think it's the quintessential CSA of the entire country for any matter by textbook definition, a way greater example than both LA and Boston CSA's, and SF/SJ should just be one MSA.
When comparing to MSA's over 10k sq miles like Houston and Dallas, you have to take any MSA or CSA totals with a grain of salt. Urban Area is flawed too, but probably comes closest to reality in describing a city's urban range.
Why? Houston and Dallas have much denser development patterns on average than D.C area. A lot less half acre and full-acre lots in the former. A lot less quarter-acre lots as well. Outside of northern Brazoria, NE Fort Bend, Montgomery, Galveston and Harris County except NE corner. There’s nearly 7,000,000 people and that’s less than half of the MSA land it’s probably closer to 3,000 square miles. Dallas is pretty similar, the core 4 counties of Dallas already have more than DC MSA in less area. Our outer counties add less than 500,000 people to both MSAs, because they’re thousands of miles of rural area.
If anything you have to take DC with a much larger grain of salt. I don’t think Houston has any city over 15,000 people that isn’t directly connected to its sprawl.
Why? Houston and Dallas have much denser development patterns on average than D.C area. A lot less half acre and full-acre lots in the former. A lot less quarter-acre lots as well. Outside of northern Brazoria, NE Fort Bend, Montgomery, Galveston and Harris County except NE corner. There’s nearly 7,000,000 people and that’s less than half of the MSA land it’s probably closer to 3,000 square miles. Dallas is pretty similar, the core 4 counties of Dallas already have more than DC MSA in less area. Our outer counties add less than 500,000 people to both MSAs, because they’re thousands of miles of rural area.
If anything you have to take DC with a much larger grain of salt. I don’t think Houston has any city over 15,000 people that isn’t directly connected to its sprawl.
All MSA's have significant amounts of "wasted space" due to agricultural/rural farming.
DC's MSA 5,564.6 sq.mi is with 6.38 million people where as it's UA is 5.17 million people in 1,294 sq.mi @3,997 ppsm. DC has way more multifamily than Dallas & Houston that largely offsets the larger SFH lot sizes which is why it's able to maintain a higher UA is density then either.
Lol. It does. You just don't like it for them because DC-Balt is the 3rd largest CSA now. In fact, I think it's the quintessential CSA of the entire country for any matter by textbook definition, a way greater example than both LA and Boston CSA's, and SF/SJ should just be one MSA.
When comparing to MSA's over 10k sq miles like Houston and Dallas, you have to take any MSA or CSA totals with a grain of salt. Urban Area is flawed too, but probably comes closest to reality in describing a city's urban range.
Dallas core 4 counties has: 6.7 million people in 3400 square miles.
Houston: Montgomery+Harris+Fort Bend+Galveston:6.5 million people in 4000 square miles
D.C: 6.4 million people in 6600 square miles.
Even if you cut the fluff and add Howard and Anne Arundel D.C still doesn’t match Dallas in 3400 and gets closer to Houston in 4000.
You get 6.45 million in 3500 square miles this is with Calvert, Anne Arundel, Howard, Fredericksburg and Stafford added in. Adding Frederick the next densest County you get.
6.7 million people in 4200 square miles which is right in line with Houston.
You could still add in Charles and Spotsylvania but get diminishing returns.
But you can see, if we just added Pearland and subtracted a lot of rural Fort Bend which has less than 20,000 people in roughly 400 square miles the comparison isn’t even close. For Houston. Dallas and Houston are just bigger areas than D.C and the growth rates show that with every passing day where both MSAs outgrow D.C+Howard+Anne Arundel that the difference is just getting bigger and bigger.
Yes and no. DC has way more multifamily than Dallas & Houston that largely offsets the larger SFH lot sizes which is why it's able to maintain a higher UA is density then either.
DC has 5.17 million people in 1,294 sq.mi @3,997 ppsm
If by multi-family you mean duplexes and triplexes and quadplexes yes, definitely. But if you mean just apartment complexes as a whole I would imagine they’re similar. I just think Arlington+DC+Alexandria carry a lot of the D.C areas density and that’s why it’s denser. Fairfax isn’t denser than the developed part of Fort Bend although it’s more urban. For example Cy-Fair ISD which is a suburban school district close to 100% buildout is 3500 ppsm over 200 square miles. Most suburban isds close to build out range from 2500 - 3500 or higher densities. I would argue that it’s a wash outside of D.C+Arlington+Alexandria vs Outside Houston or Inner Loop, arguably outside the inner loop is denser.
Houston is 29%
Dallas is 30%
D.C is 35%
For multi family population.
If we are talking pure apartment complexes I think Dallas and Houston would have more because a large percent of D.C’s 35% are duplexes and triplexes while their essentially 0% in most of Houston.
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Why? Houston and Dallas have much denser development patterns on average than D.C area. A lot less half acre and full-acre lots in the former. A lot less quarter-acre lots as well. Outside of northern Brazoria, NE Fort Bend, Montgomery, Galveston and Harris County except NE corner. There’s nearly 7,000,000 people and that’s less than half of the MSA land it’s probably closer to 3,000 square miles. Dallas is pretty similar, the core 4 counties of Dallas already have more than DC MSA in less area. Our outer counties add less than 500,000 people to both MSAs, because they’re thousands of miles of rural area.
If anything you have to take DC with a much larger grain of salt. I don’t think Houston has any city over 15,000 people that isn’t directly connected to its sprawl.
I'm referring to the CSA metric that was being brought up, not the MSA. Houston and Dallas have the larger MSA's.
The CSA metric includes Baltimore and Washington's cores both, as well as, the suburbs in between. Even the two MSA's with all their rural fluff are 9.2 million people in just over 8k sq miles no matter how the land is developed. Development land tracts in greater Houston for example are smaller than land tracts in say Laurel, MD or Columbia yes, but the contiguous suburban development doesn't break between DC burbs to Baltimore city proper, which is obviously more denser or urban developed than anything 30 miles outside of Houston's or Dallas' major suburban rings. Therefore it's why DC-Baltimore is seen as a legitimate CSA, but not qualifying enough to be an MSA. But there's no way we can fool ourselves into thinking that as CSA's Dallas or Houston with over 12k sq mi, or even if that's narrowed down to less than 10k sq mi, has more population than the DMV/Balt area combined even at just 8k sq mi.
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